he sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
he tries to tell me what i put inside of me
he's got the answers to ease my curiosity
he dreamed a god up and called it christianity
NIN

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot That theory about the probability being too low is garbage IMO. Suppose there were 10^1000 universes, and things were just right on one planet orbiting one star in one galaxy in one of them, that life formed. Since these life-forms did not know that there are 10^1000-1 empty, lifeless universes, they could perhaps conclude some things about probabilities that aren't exactly true. And of course, in all of the empty universes, there are no life-forms to question their own existance. Simple anthropic principle... we don't know whether or not there are other universes... we might just be lucky. Here's an analogy. Suppose there are 10^1000 6-sided dice, each with a house built on one side of it. Each die is rolled trillions of times, and if ever the house lands on the bottom, it is crushed, and the people living in it are killed. Well, after a few trillion throws, most of the people would be dead. Now suppose there is one living person who stands up and says, "Hey, there is an overwhelming chance that I should have died. I guess God saved me. Therefore God exists." Meanwhile, he doesn't know about the huge numbers of others who didn't make it, because he is not aware of the existance of any other dice. He is only concerned with his own existance, and therefore his probability calculations are out of context (ie erroneous conditional probability). Same fallacy.

Aye, i was thinking the same thing.

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Originally posted by cyper People who believe in any type of religion always try to make other people believe in that very same religion as well. Usually by threatening them with the whole.. "You will go to hell if you dont believe in god" The exact same can be said for those who dont believe. As they try to get people to stop believing by saying things like.. "there isnt any proof that god exists". In the end, nobody is right. And those who do believe they are, only end up lying to themselves. Stop trying to force people into believing in what you think is correct. Because you are wrong to do so. Now.. lets all have a beer and listen to some trance music

Amen!

i mean... sounds great!

:P:P:P

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Originally posted by cyper People who believe in any type of religion always try to make other people believe in that very same religion as well. Stop trying to force people into believing in what you think is correct. Because you are wrong to do so. Now.. lets all have a beer and listen to some trance music

"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them...." Matthew 24:14.

To ignore this command from God would make one less of a Christian. Just make sure you're practicing what you preach (why I don't preach myself).

If you don't want to listen, that's your choice. Nobody is forcing you to covert (obviously!) But to not preach is to ignore God's command.

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Originally posted by muzzybear "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them...." Matthew 24:14. To ignore this command from God would make one less of a Christian. Just make sure you're practicing what you preach (why I don't preach myself). If you don't want to listen, that's your choice. Nobody is forcing you to covert (obviously!) But to not preach is to ignore God's command.

You're to have the confidence to say that!!! Islam has the same thing (maybe Judaism too). However, I think this command is very easily ignored today (justifiably or not).

Firstly, I'm not a strong, dedicated follower (otherwise I might not be into the music the way I am) and therefore you will not see me preaching either!

Secondly, in today's age of political correctness people get offended very easily, so trying to teach others about your religion may seem aggressive (unless of course those others ASKED you more about your religion; but that's not entirely what the command is about; the command includes this but also goes further to ask Christians/Muslims/Jews to go out and teach without being prompted by others).

Thirdly, because of today's technology, most people spend their spare time "doing things" rather than reflecting on life (which I believe they had more time to do in the past). So it's more difficult to find an interested audience and/or to even find time as a "preacher" when you have bills to pay in this society.

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^^^^ The question is how do you teach. Some people think that evangalism is the only way to teach. While jumping up on a soapbox and reading scripture is one way it is not the only. Perhaps just living life according to the teachings of ones faith is enough. Maybe that is the best way, be an example to others so that they may see how to live rather then being told.
If that is an acceptable way to teach others then maybe you are more faithful then you realize.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by fayraree You're to have the confidence to say that!!! Islam has the same thing (maybe Judaism too). However, I think this command is very easily ignored today (justifiably or not). Firstly, I'm not a strong, dedicated follower (otherwise I might not be into the music the way I am) and therefore you will not see me preaching either! Secondly, in today's age of political correctness people get offended very easily, so trying to teach others about your religion may seem aggressive (unless of course those others ASKED you more about your religion; but that's not entirely what the command is about; the command includes this but also goes further to ask Christians/Muslims/Jews to go out and teach without being prompted by others). Thirdly, because of today's technology, most people spend their spare time "doing things" rather than reflecting on life (which I believe they had more time to do in the past). So it's more difficult to find an interested audience and/or to even find time as a "preacher" when you have bills to pay in this society. [/rant]

There is much persecution to be expected for ones that preach. Quebec's laws were very strict, and many were imprisoned. Same thing in Greece. Persecution was to be expected, too, though, as Jesus was.

My uncle was put in jail because he wouldn't fight in WWII. He followed the basic commandment "thou shall not kill". If everyone followed the two basic commandments to "love your neighbour as yourself" and to "love God", wouldn't the world be a different place?

Oh, and as far as money goes, there's the scripture that says something like "God feeds the birds of the heavens, so wouldn't he look after his believers" meaning you will never want if you follow the way! (and separate your "needs" from your "wants")

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard ^^^^ The question is how do you teach. Some people think that evangalism is the only way to teach. While jumping up on a soapbox and reading scripture is one way it is not the only. Perhaps just living life according to the teachings of ones faith is enough. Maybe that is the best way, be an example to others so that they may see how to live rather then being told. If that is an acceptable way to teach others then maybe you are more faithful then you realize.

Jesus set the example. They preached door to door in twos.

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Originally posted by muzzybear My uncle was put in jail because he wouldn't fight in WWII. He followed the basic commandment "thou shall not kill".

Please to note, the hebrew word for murder was mistranslated to kill by the Greeks.... the Romans copied the Greeks and therefore this commandment is incorrect. The commandment is thou shalt not murder. Thinking God commanded the Hebrews not to kill is moronic considering the amount of killing he also commanded the Jews to do.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by muzzybear Jesus set the example. They preached door to door in twos.

But isn't being an example to others the ultimate form of evangelism?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard But isn't being an example to others the ultimate form of evangelism?

It's a part of it. Fer sher. ** edit ** but to "go" is to take descisive action.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Please to note, the hebrew word for murder was mistranslated to kill by the Greeks.... the Romans copied the Greeks and therefore this commandment is incorrect. The commandment is thou shalt not murder. Thinking God commanded the Hebrews not to kill is moronic considering the amount of killing he also commanded the Jews to do.

Ok, then, murder.

God tried everything with/for the Jews, didn't he, but they hurt him "like a needle poking in His eye", which is why, after 607 BCE and the fall of Jerusalem, he allowed the "appointed times of the nations" until he would be represented again on the earth.

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