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Originally posted by ShadoWolf What happened to the PC's after the last election? 2 seats. Out of 301. They were subsequently reformed and refounded. That's what needs to happen to the Lieberals.

i agree wholeheartedly here. This was back when the electorate actually made politicians responsible for far less misdeeds.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by MarkT x 20 posts in this thread that all amount to "waaaaaaahhhhh..." if this were going the other way...with a Liberal jumping ship...you'd be chirping a different tune.

no way... i think its undemocratic either way. However if someone did jump ship to join the conservatives i doubt theyd make them a senior memeber on the spot. If they did id have to question my support of that party then.

Contrary to what people may think, im not a conservative voter by blood. If i dont feel they are the most worthy for the job i will switch my vote in the future. But at the present time they are the ones i feel that are most likely to change things for the better.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf What happened to the PC's after the last election? 2 seats. Out of 301. They were subsequently reformed and refounded.

Excuse me?

Subsequently? More than 10 years after the fact, and lured with promises of "equal" representation of party delegates... All of which as gone down the tubes.

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LOL!!! Exactly, Shadowolf! (All except Martin...ah too bad we don't have a Trudeau...he and Belinda woulda been gettin' it ON!!!!) LOL!!!!!!

POSTWHORE SAYS:
Belinda is a POLITICS whore!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 no way... i think its undemocratic either way. However if someone did jump ship to join the conservatives i doubt theyd make them a senior memeber on the spot. If they did id have to question my support of that party then.

Martin dealt with those who all those who stepped outside of *his* parties ranks... at the expense perhaps of some good politicians. Jane Stewart, for all that was heaped upon her, Martin Cauchon, for example, were purged from the party's ranks. Why? To form a more cohesive party, that would be able to better aspire to its goals.

Why couldn't Harper do this? He is not afforded the luxury of a pool of elected MPs with such experience. Hell, Martin was able to snub Copps out of politics. As much as I might disagree with her on so many points, she was a good politician and good to the people of Hamilton-Wentworth. Martin made this choices, filling the shoes of a good leader. Yes, I said his party. Not a mish-mash of vastly different factions. Colour him a trigger-happy bribe-maker, or a smart party leader... The choice is up to you.

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Originally posted by amb_ Martin dealt with those who all those who stepped outside of *his* parties ranks... at the expense perhaps of some good politicians. Jane Stewart, for all that was heaped upon her, Martin Cauchon, for example, were purged from the party's ranks. Why? To form a more cohesive party, that would be able to better aspire to its goals. Why couldn't Harper do this? He is not afforded the luxury of a pool of elected MPs with such experience. Hell, Martin was able to snub Copps out of politics. As much as I might disagree with her on so many points, she was a good politician and good to the people of Hamilton-Wentworth. Martin made this choices, filling the shoes of a good leader. Yes, I said his party. Not a mish-mash of vastly different factions. Colour him a trigger-happy bribe-maker, or a smart party leader... The choice is up to you.

Up to this point Belinda had done nothing wrong except she was always a bit of an idiot. But one doesnt throw someone out of their party for being a dumbass. Jane stewart had to go thanks to the HRDC boondoggle. Someone's head had to roll for that one. And martin unethically backstabbed copps after her failed attempt against her in a leadership race. I was glad to see copps go though. Shes a bigger idiot than stronach. The conservatives are better off without stronach even if the dont win the confidence vote.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Up to this point Belinda had done nothing wrong except she was always a bit of an idiot. But one doesnt throw someone out of their party for being a dumbass. Jane stewart had to go thanks to the HRDC boondoggle. Someone's head had to roll for that one.

You're absolutely right, someone's head had to roll for that one. Unfortunately for Sheila, and especially so, considering she wasn't even holding this cabinet position when the mismanagement of funds took place (it was Pierre Pettigrew, the sauve winner of "Best Hair in Parliament")... Martin again flexing his muscle as party leader. Why aren't Jim Prentice and Peter MacKay gone? Their backgrounds certainly don't line up with the party's asserted platform.

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And martin unethically backstabbed copps after her failed attempt against her in a leadership race. I was glad to see copps go though. Shes a bigger idiot than stronach. The conservatives are better off without stronach even if the dont win the confidence vote.

I'd like to see evidence to the contrary, but I know Stronach was a loyal Conservative supporter until recently. She did facilitate Ernie Eves' Conservatives' budget at a Magna plant. She was the long-time sweetheart of Peter MacKay. Too bad their romance went sour... ideals can sometimes be more powerful than love.

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Originally posted by amb_ You're absolutely right, someone's head had to roll for that one. Unfortunately for Sheila, and especially so, considering she wasn't even holding this cabinet position when the mismanagement of funds took place (it was Pierre Pettigrew, the sauve winner of "Best Hair in Parliament")... Martin again flexing his muscle as party leader. Why aren't Jim Prentice and Peter MacKay gone? Their backgrounds certainly don't line up with the party's asserted platform. I'd like to see evidence to the contrary, but I know Stronach was a loyal Conservative supporter until recently. She did facilitate Ernie Eves' Conservatives' budget at a Magna plant. She was the long-time sweetheart of Peter MacKay. Too bad their romance went sour... ideals can sometimes be more powerful than love.

Actually Magna has always been a company with huge Liberal ties. The conservative Belinda was a black sheep in the Liberal connected family. Frank Stronach (daddy) ran twice for the Liberals not to mention all the grants and subsidies they have received.

There are some that rightly predicted this walk would happen a year ago when she was elected. There are some that said last year that she was a plant by the liberals to be used at a strategic moment to embarrass the Conservatives and hold onto power. It seems we could have a grand conspiracy lurking here..

I wish i could find the article i read about this from last summer.... damn

I wouldnt be surprised though if this is true. The Stronachs are staunch Liberals and it was always odd that Belinda was a conservative even though her views are left of centre.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

From the Aurora Era-Banner last week.

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Liberal's Hall Findlay ready to take on Stronach, she says May 15, 2005 Roy Green, Staff Writer - More from this author Martha Hall Findlay, the Newmarket lawyer who narrowly lost to Conservative Belinda Stronach in the 2004 federal election, has been acclaimed the Liberal nominee in Newmaket-Aurora for an election that could be called within the next few weeks. Ms Hall Findlay, who lost to Ms Stronach by 689 votes last June, was nominated last Friday by the Newmarket-Aurora federal Liberal riding association. And she lost no time making comparisons between herself and the former CEO of auto parts giant Magna International. "I understand the challenges facing the people of Newmarket-Aurora," she said following the nomination. "I know what it's like to worry about mortgage payments, about university tuition, about not spending more than you have coming in. I do understand what it takes to balance work, family and community contribution." A corporate lawyer, Ms Hall Findlay founded a legal consultancy service, the General Counsel Group. She returned to Newmarket, where she lived for a number of years, from Collingwood last year to accept the Liberal nomination. She and her team are ready if an election is called, she said. "If Belinda and (Tory leader) Stephen Harper want to force Canadians into an election now, we're ready for it," she said. "We'll be armed with policies that even Belinda acknowledges are good for the people of Newmarket-Aurora."

i actually kind for feel sorry for hall-findlay but i feel more sorry for the constituents including myself who have been betrayed by this.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by amb_ Excuse me? Subsequently? More than 10 years after the fact, and lured with promises of "equal" representation of party delegates... All of which as gone down the tubes.

lol...no kidding.

Were there not threats of legal action from former "real" PC members when it became clear that there would be no "equal" representation?

I know several "old" Conservatives who are embarassed by the current "Conservative Party" and who, regardless of whether or not they'll vote Liberal, have made it quite clear they will never support today's 'Conservative Party' while in its current form, under it's current leadership.


"reformed and refounded", my ass...the Alliance knew they'd *never* crack Ontario and Quebec...made a deal with an established party that was in desperate circumstances, took control, and have used the Conservative name to gain further respect for themselves. Good for them, I say...but to suggest that the Conservative party was reformed and refounded is laughable...

growing pains... dont worry the conservatives will soon be watered down into a centrist party with the next leader. The real gripe was that bryson didnt get to be leader and then switched sides... and now the same with belinda. The way i see it the conservatives are cleansing themselves of the traitors.

Hey it doesnt matter anyways because the sheep will come to pasture and the liberals will get to steal more money and our economy will go into the ground thanks to his power buying with our tax money a la jack layton.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I don't know how many of you were watching the news Conference, but I was.

Her job first and foremost is to best serve her constituents by any means necessary. If she feels that this is more achievable flying underneath a red banner, then all the power to her.

No, it's not good that the liberal in that riding is yesterday's news.
No, it's not good that with her little experience, she's getting a shiny new cabinet post.

By doing this, she has just made a statement that a conservative government would not suit Canada's interests right now. Did she sign her Political Death Certificate? Not by a long shot. It takes a lot of balls to pull a stunt like this, and I'm willing to bet the public will take notice.. Not in a negative (she's being bribed, backstabber, etc etc) way, but in a positive (she's representing her contituents even at great cost to her career, taking a stand against a party out for blood, etc etc) one. If anything, I think this'll end up damaging the Tories a hell of a lot more than the Liberals. And frankly, Until they get new leadership and a *real* direction, I like it this way.