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Originally posted by venomX I just try to see a bit beyond all the smoke. Dont know what eyewitnesses your talking about as i dont believe anyone actually saw the terrorists with the bombs in the london bombings, or the madrid bombing, of for that, no one who actually saw the terrorists hijack the planes survived. Yes i agree that there are proven facts in connection to terrorists group performing these acts, i simply think that there is the possibility that they were orchastrated by someone else, with more access to certain resources such as the government of some countries and/or the government agencies. And tryin to sound like u know everything in an argument doesnt go too far my friend, although i know this is the intarweb i hoped that maybe and exchange of ideas was actually posible, silly me i guess

oh, then forgive me. you just want an exchange of ideas. well then, here is an exchange for you...sit back, relax, have some tea (or drugs) and let the thousands of talented people that have a vested interest in getting to the bottom of what the hell just happened, do their job. the same type of thousands of talented individuals that got to the bottom of every horrific fucking act similar to this that has happened in the last 30 fuckin years.

forgive me, but i take serious offence to anyone that is willing to float or entertain some incoherent, flight of imaginational fancy, hairbrained idea like "the government did it" when all they have is the "intraweb" from a nice cozy corner of the world (such as Vancouver) to spew that crap from.

people are dead. good people. and more good people are gonna die. (and please take this personnaly) because of people like you. deal and face the reality of what is happening. don't jerk your knee because your imagination told you to do so. that is all.

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/7/8/114856/8349

even moonbat central, DailyKos, is banning people for some of the stupid conspiracy crap being said there.

and i thought liberals were supposed to be soooo open minded to the "exchange of ideas" wtfeva

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Originally posted by Q5echo forgive me, but i take serious offence to anyone that is willing to float or entertain some incoherent, flight of imaginational fancy, hairbrained idea like "the government did it" when all they have is the "intraweb" from a nice cozy corner of the world (such as Vancouver) to spew that crap from.

i recently moved to vancouver (a month and a half ago)
ive lived all my life in the dominican republic, a nice little country where i have been blessed to have all the posible "conections"(sp?) and influence i can have, but still i have only taken advantage of this position to develop a critical thinking, i would really like to develop this subject further as this is one of my favorite discussion subjects behind religions, but right now im kinda drunk and under the influence of some good dominican tobacco so i cant really argument effectively

i know some ppl get offended i try not to do offend ppl when argumenting but its bound to happened given my ideas

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Originally posted by Q5echo forgive me, but i take serious offence to anyone that is willing to float or entertain some incoherent, flight of imaginational fancy, hairbrained idea like "the government did it"

Ok, now don't get all excited Q, I'm not trying to imply that this whole thing was a conspiracy here, but that pretty ridiculous what you just said. It's not like goverments/ruling classes haven't conspired and carried out attacks on their own populations in the past to persue their interests. (Again, Don't assume I'm implying anything here)

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Originally posted by Q5echo people are dead. good people. and more good people are gonna die. (and please take this personnaly) because of people like you.

How the hell is that his fault?

Edit: In case you want an example: The Reichstag Fire

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Alright, question. Shaolin, if you aren't implying, then what are you saying. We can go on and on about propaganda, but in the end are you going to tell me the U.S. or English government orchistrated either attack, let alone both of them? Now, I'm sure you are going to say it's not out of the realm of possibility. Tell me something though, what did the U.S. gain from the 9/11 attacks? You could say more government power, but our country was already heading down a path of increased government control. I am not sure about England, but I really don't see how this attack could have done anything to help the governemnt, or those in power? If there are strong reasons why the government would take the lives of its own civilians, and dissrupt the life of their country then I am truly interested to hear. Also, if I am misunderstanding what you are saying, let me know that too, as I seem to have a tendency to do that.

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Originally posted by kush paintings Alright, question. Shaolin, if you aren't implying, then what are you saying.

Like I said:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z (Again, Don't assume I'm implying anything here)

Even if I did beleive the attacks were orchestrated (among others in history), I wouldn't be talking about it here, I'd keep it to myself since most people don't accept things as true/possible if it effects thier world view and forces them to change it (cuz it scares the crap out of them).

Here the answer to your main question:

The reason I wrote that was cuz Q5echo has a knack for saying really absurd things and attacking other people for thinking critically and considering all possibilities. I consider that to be rude and offensive.

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Originally posted by kush paintings If there are strong reasons why the government would take the lives of its own civilians, and dissrupt the life of their country then I am truly interested to hear. Also, if I am misunderstanding what you are saying, let me know that too, as I seem to have a tendency to do that.

If you're interested in questioning things and considering other explanations, there's plenty material out there.

I also want to make it clear that I'm not a conspiracy nut, I don't believe every conspiracy theory I hear/read about. Sometimes there's some truth to them, sometimes there's not. And the media is no different. Half the stuff you hear/read anywhere is a mixture of some truth and some propoganda. I beleive in having an open mind, thinking critically and coming to your own conclusion through reasoning.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

in 2001 the US was falling into a heavy financial crisis. Altough i sadly dont have the sources at hand to confirm this, that is my analisis on the situation the US was facing in 2001. Then out of the blue comes this attack that manages to fool the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, and every other law enforcement and intelligence agency in the US, and guess what the US economy after a brief fall regains its strengh, just like in WWII were it became a superpower. I believe that the US economy has become a lot stronger because of the "war economy" that goes on on times of war were ppl reinvest in the US, in the arms sector specifically, because of the wars.

thats what they gained. and ofcourse the increased power in the government and law enforcement sector that u mentioned.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Yes basically, either that are more anit-islamofacist. I'm sorry it might just be me but I coulda swore Northern Ireland is still in the Kingdom.

yea it still is, but now the catholics up north are treated like dirt. THey have proper rights now, they only got that from bombing people and places.

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Originally posted by Yoepus The fact that this is the first time that they have been sucessful in bombing London should attest to the fact that it is not as easy as it seems. It is defintely not the first time they have tried to do it, nor do I believe will it be the last one unfortunately. But so what? 40-50 killed, not even a thousand killed will stop the country! It won't make the UK disappear off this earth and fall into ruin. The UK is a strong nation, you faced much, much worse. The terrorist will be very sorry for what they have done to you when all is said and done.

I dont thing their aim was to make the UK disapear off the face of the earth. IT was a wake up call, basically "This is what we can do, and you wont be able to stop us".

The terrorists wont care, worst that will happen is life in jail. THey wont mind that. Even then the main ones involved wont be caught.


P.S. i aint British, so no need for the "you" all the time.

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Originally posted by Michael19 P.S. i aint British, so no need for the "you" all the time.

Irish/British whats the difference?!

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Originally posted by Michael19 yea it still is, but now the catholics up north are treated like dirt. THey have proper rights now, they only got that from bombing people and places.

Do you mean the catholics up north were treated like dirt?