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Originally posted by verndogs it's a great deal IMO since the Nets got 3!!!! first round draft picks for him

yea but i think they traded 2 for VC and another 1 to Prtland for reef.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch ah .. i am not a big kenyon martin fan .. sure he is aggressive in the paint for the rebounds and tip-ins .. and he is a moderate defender .. but is he really someone to go to for those 13 to 15 foot jump shots like shareef can do ? .. i think if martin was still with the nets right now, the nets would still have lost to the heat in the first round, not have made that trade for vc, and not have enough cash to sign shareef and mcinnis .. the reason the nets were "average" last year, because rj missed most of the year with his wrist injury .. with martin, the nets would have gotten nothing in this summer's FA market .

Shareef is an Olding SF turned into a PF - he builds mostly on Talent in oppose to Martin who"s game is more builted on Hard work - i think the Nets have enough talent and a good PF is not defined by the ability to shoot 13 to 15 foot jumpshots - just ask Donny Marshall and Antoine Walker how good is it for a PF to shoot far shoots,Martin Defence is much more important.
If Martin was with the Nets the nets whould'nt have played aginst Miami to begin with IMO - just notice that they were almost at the Eastern Finals a year before that(IN TERMS OF ABILITY).
I don't understand whats the connection between resigning Martin a year back and the VC trade...the Raps would trade Carter for nothing if they could - they just wanted to get rid of Carter's cash and attitude.

And BTW: mcinnis didnt look like such a good player at the second half of the season - mcinnis together with reef can really make the Nets's D alot weaker.
With Martin they could have had a better and younger team for the upcoming years and they also could have signed mcinnis or any other 5mil' prick this summer via free agency because of the Mid-level expansion.

here's an interesting article I found on hoopshype.com about Larry Brown's style

What to expect from Brown
by Eddie Johnson / July 29, 2005

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Larry Brown has done it again. He is the best coach of all time at getting out of contracts and then landing the job he really wants – this time in New York. I don't think there was any doubt that was the one he wanted and not an executive job with the Cleveland Cavaliers. The New York Knickerbockers have become the next pit stop for Brown. He's already saying this is the final one. I am not buying it. This man loves to be wanted. He craves attention and – unlike most of us mere mortals – he is able to not only command it, but achieve it as well. He is special. There will be no other coach like him. He is the godfather of a fraternity that makes sure everyone in his inner circle has a job. There are a few coaches that Brown does not control. Phil Jackson is one of them. But for the most part, if you look around the league, you will see a number of coaches that were tutored under Brown and rely on serious input from him on a year-round basis. That's why he is so well respected among general manager types regardless of his ability to fall in love with another job while he is still under contract. The Knicks are his patients now and they have been sick for sometime. I can imagine right now that Brown is trying desperately to convince Isiah Thomas to shop Stephon Marbury after only one day on the job. Why? Because I guess he does not want to put up with a player that stated he was the best point guard in the league despite a 33-49 record. Brown hates me-first players. If you are not willing to play the right way, then you are a goner. I played for Larry Brown two years with the Pacers and really had a chance to see his coaching genius. So here are 10 things Knick players need to get ready for starting in October. 1. Long and intense practices with a lot of stopping and starting so Brown can teach. Wear some warmups over your practice shorts so you can stay warm. 2. Brown will break down your attributes as a player and try to get you to change to his way. If you want to keep playing consistent minutes, I suggest you at least show that you will try to change – or else. 3. Honesty and frankness. He will look you in the eye and tell you exactly what he thinks of your game. Remember Knick players: He is the only coach in the league besides Phil Jackson and Pat Riley (if he coaches again) that can exert power equal to a superstar player. He couldn't care less about your feelings. 4. This was the most surprising part of Larry Brown. Hey, Knick players, don't miss many practices because Brown has a tendency to change offensive plays every few games. If he likes a play from an opposing team, he incorporates it into his playbook. The problem you will have if you miss practice is that he will give the new play the same number the old play had. So if you missed practice, you might be running the old play instead of the new one. That will get you to the bench in a hurry. 5. Constant barking to move the ball and to you if you are standing still for longer than three seconds. He loves players that can play without the ball. If you are to be successful on one of Brown's teams, you must be efficient by relying on your teammates. 6. Halftime rants – sometimes deafening. Brown is a human videotape machine. He remembers every single possession during a basketball game and never writes down notes. So don't think you are sneaking something pass him during a game. I had 12 coaches in my career and I never saw anybody like him. 7. The doghouse. Get use to it because everyone of you will visit it during the course of the season. If you don't believe me, go ask Reggie Miller. I saw Brown bench Reggie one time during a game without blinking. I spent about four straight games on the bench after averaging about 21 for three games prior to that. I still don't know what I did. 8. Show of emotion. This must be a Carolina thing. He will tell you at any time how much he loves you and two days later might want to ship you out. I say it's a Carolina thing because the first time I saw it was my rookie year when Carolina alum Phil Ford started bawling after missing a last-second shot to win the game. I have no problem with showing emotion, but it was the first game of the year! 9. This one is for my homeboy Zeke, who I consider one of the best general managers in the league. He will soon prove it. Lock your doors – especially after bad losses. Brown will want to trade someone that night. He is not averse to trading anyone at any given time and will chase Thomas home to convince him to do it. 10. Winning. Regardless of what you will have to put up with, Knickerbockers, it will eventually add up to wins. So be patient and enjoy the ride. It will be a ride you have not been on for a long while. My prediction is the Knicks will make the playoffs this season based solely on the coaching of Brown. It's up to the players – especially Stephon Marbury – how far they go in the playoffs. I can tell you one thing... Whether the players accept him or not, this is his team and he will do it his way. Isn't that what godfathers do? Eddie Johnson is a regular contributor to HoopsHype.com

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[11:58] Bas //: fuck he's hot

news just in ..

phoenix and atlanta are about to do a sign and trade for joe johnson .. joe johnson goes to atlanta for boris diaw and two future draft picks .. interesting transaction here . .. especially if atlanta tanks again next year like this year .

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Originally posted by verndogs here's an interesting article I found on hoopshype.com about Larry Brown's style What to expect from Brown by Eddie Johnson / July 29, 2005

top notch article from an Eddie

please change that ciara pic!

Eddie lol an article from an Eddie HAHA

Also Im puting my neck out there but Im saying Darko for Most Improved Player award this coming year if he gets playing time or gets traded <-not a joke too! GO DARKO

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 please change that ciara pic! Eddie lol an article from an Eddie HAHA Also Im puting my neck out there but Im saying Darko for Most Improved Player award this coming year if he gets playing time or gets traded <-not a joke too! GO DARKO

.. you ripping on my girl biotch (hence my football name .. Stotch's Bitoches .. ) ..

anyways .. i don't know .. news around has it that darko is not doing so well in summer squad .. then again there is good news .. very mixed.

thread on detroit summer league squad ..

and

another link about detriot

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you crazy Eddies i tell ya...

Btw: darko will be traded for nothing IMO,people say that after 8 minutes of running he's becoming tired and red like a whore!,Travis Outlaw will be the most improved,appearently he improved his mid-range shot a lot and he block like 2 shots every game at the summer league.

new trade talks:

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Heat's Jones, Celtics' Walker Included in Proposed Five-Team Deal By Tim Reynolds Associated Press Tuesday, August 2, 2005; 7:25 PM MIAMI -- Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and James Posey could soon be coming to the Miami Heat in a proposed five-team trade that was nearing completion Tuesday, according to a lawyer and league official both familiar with terms of the complicated deal. "Unless something strange happens, it's going to happen," said the lawyer, who spoke on condition of anonymity. As part of the Walker deal, Boston would obtain Qyntel Woods, the rights to Spanish center Albert Miralles and the Heat's $1.9 million trade exception. The Celtics would get Borchardt from Memphis; Borchardt was part of Tuesday's earlier trade in which Sacramento acquired guard Bonzi Wells from Memphis for guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag. Memphis was then expected to send Ostertag to the Utah Jazz for guard Raul Lopez, forward Kirk Snyder and Borchardt. Snyder would be sent to New Orleans, along with the Heat's Rasual Butler, and Borchardt would head to Boston.

fukin amezin'!! its like teams in the league are uniting in order to make the heat the BEST team in the NBA,oh and memphis - theyre going down makin some room for the Blazers.

the most f'd up trade offer i have ever seen .. looks like a merry-go-round ..

if this falls through, got to be one of the best trades of the year .

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the best trade ever .. seriously.
how many big names were involved in this draft ? bobby jackson ? antoine walker ? jason williams ? james posey ? rashul butler ? eddie jones ? well not big names, but known names ..

wow .. that all i have to say .. but for the hornets not giving up much .. they gave away some foreign guy, and in return got butler and curtis borchardt (stanford guy, so maybe casey jacobsen might stay ?? hope so)

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Shaq signs with Miami for 5 years and get 100,000 and promises a ring.

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