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Originally posted by smallSHEEP I don't know why artists with a fan base don't put a paypal link on their artist page for generous donations. I know 1 or 2 artists that I would certainly give random cash to if I could. I would also feel better knowing it had not gone to any middleman.

i think if people did that then they would get ever more shit from people saying that they are only interested in the money etc etc. + i dont think anyone would actually dontate hehe

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper If it's good I buy it, if it's shit I delete it.

fair play, at the end of the day its not damaging to anyone. i just got the wrong impression from your previous posts =)

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Yes i could... But for me there is a big BUT: I need to make music thats what i like, that's what i want to do. I don't want to get involved in the selling business too much, it would eat my inspiration. And don't forget: it's not simply realeasing! There's a process of making a record know to public which i can't. There's legal stuff which i don't have time for. There's timing when and how to release a record. It's not just releasing an mp3. How are you updated with new songs? That's because DJ's play them. And another part is to get those tracks under attention of DJ's And thats why i need a record company in my case. But actually it wouldn't make a difference IMO: Whether i let a record company take care of those things, or me hiring them, the same process is involved, the same people are needed.

well i definitely agree that you would have to take on a lot of the promotion effort and stuff...so i can understand why some wouldn't want to do that. and yeah i suppose as far as mastering and vinyl pressing is concerned labels have much better contacts and connections...i dunno its just something i've never liked...but yeah everything you said i agree with...

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle lol i know but the same principle applies. both are illegal, both are crimes. just makin a point

just keeping the discussions fair for u music discussion junkies

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Originally posted by Floorfiller thall shalt not stealith thall shalt not killith

he who killeth, stealeth from the deatheth. and in so
he who giveth taketh awayeth

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On OOKA-OOKA ME NACHOS ME PRESS KEYS ON COMPUTER GOOD

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij So BMW sold one car less right?

Nono, that's the whole point. They didn't sell one car less because the guy who copied it wasn't gonna buy one anyways. That's why it differs from just stealing a car. Now if the guy who copied it was a rich sob with that kind of money to just throw away on a car, then you could say BMW sold one car less, because he would've been a potential buyer.

Same goes with reccord sales. The industry calculates "losses" of millions because the average person has an mp3 collection of several gigabytes. But if you consider overpriced CDs, filler materials, etcetera, it would've cost them thousands to buy all those. Not a single person I know has thousands of dollars to spend on music. So this whole "we're losing millions" deal is a result of poor quality production, or simply the industry itself going downhill and trying to blame it's losses on something else.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle i think if people did that then they would get ever more shit from people saying that they are only interested in the money etc etc. + i dont think anyone would actually dontate hehe

hahahaha....

oliver lieb if you set up a paypal link i'll send you $50 dollars!

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Originally posted by Floorfiller hahahaha.... oliver lieb if you set up a paypal link i'll send you $50 dollars!

some people are pretty desprate!

and no.. i DID NOT say yes.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Yes i could... But for me there is a big BUT: I need to make music thats what i like, that's what i want to do. I don't want to get involved in the selling business too much, it would eat my inspiration. And don't forget: it's not simply realeasing! There's a process of making a record know to public which i can't. There's legal stuff which i don't have time for. There's timing when and how to release a record. It's not just releasing an mp3. How are you updated with new songs? That's because DJ's play them. And another part is to get those tracks under attention of DJ's And thats why i need a record company in my case. But actually it wouldn't make a difference IMO: Whether i let a record company take care of those things, or me hiring them, the same process is involved, the same people are needed.

I guess this means there's a huge void that could be filled. If someone credible within the electronic scene comes up with a MP3 selling site plus taking care of the promotion of the tracks it could eventually have some success. But this would be just another kind of record label, it would still be an intermediary.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle some people are pretty desprate! and no.. i DID NOT say yes.

Mike, what if i make u a millioner? would you say yes? .

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Originally posted by gouuryella Mike, what if i make u a millioner? would you say yes? .

I'll consider it... HAHAHA

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle I'll consider it... HAHAHA

hahaha

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Since the stuff I have released so far has only been on vinyl (with the exception of a couple of compilations which I'll probably see all of about 20 euros for anyways), it doesn't particularly bother me if someone without the means to play vinyl downloads my music. That said, if a DJ likes it enough to play it in his sets, but doesn't buy the vinyl because he's downloaded it already, I'd be somewhat disappointed. If someone downloaded it before the release date and played it, I wouldn't particularly mind as long as: A) they bought it afterwards, and B) it didn't somehow affect it getting signed.

A lot of people enjoy trance but don't have tech12s or whatnot, so can't really get their hands on the music without DL'ing mp3s. No harm no foul IMO; ultimately I'm just happy they like my music enough to spend 10 minutes listening to it.

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