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Originally posted by Psy-T and even though my tastes have gotten more refined, i dont hate something i used to love. both because i never loved what you're thinking about to begin with and because i dont hate any genre of music.

Well I'm not really sure of who exactly I was refering to when I said "you now hate what you used to love". I was a bit drunk when saying that and it was a bit obtuse (I always seem to get in these arguments after drinking. ). But it does refer to many people who used to love say.. Tiesto(14) and have now completely abandonded him and bash him at every opportunity.

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Originally posted by djmetatron bah, whatever.. agree to disagree.

we're not arguing about opinions here though, at least i'm not.
we're arguing over facts, which you fail to accept for whatever reason.

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What exactly are these 'facts' were arguing about.

I was saying that trance (and most EDM) is made for the dance floor and therefor it's main purpose is to immediately please. The word 'superficial' got thrown in there as the best word I could think of to describe it at that momnet. If you've got a differen't view point on this than it's simply a disagreement.

And I still have not heard you fully state your opinion about this. "The music speaks for itself" argument doesn't cut it with me.

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Originally posted by djmetatron What exactly are these 'facts' were arguing about. I was saying that trance (and most EDM) is made for the dance floor and therefor it's main purpose is to immediately please. The word 'superficial' got thrown in there as the best word I could think of to describe it at that momnet. If you've got a differen't view point on this than it's simply a disagreement. And I still have not heard you fully state your opinion about this. "The music speaks for itself" argument doesn't cut it with me.

today's trance has a breakdown every 2-3 minutes, back then, trance didnt have breakdowns. one track by itself was not enough to 'please' anyone, it is the set that got you into a trance, not the individual tracks (which is impossible unless you're on drugs, your subconscious self cant take control of you in a matter of a few minutes), the tracks were the tools, they werent made for the clubbers to buy on vinyls nor on cds, they were made as tools for the djs.

i've been ignoring your usage of the word superficial ever since you cleared up your skewed definition of it, so that's irrelavant.

and "the music speaks for itself" argument 'doesnt cut it' with you because you probably havent heard any of it.

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Originally posted by Psy-T today's trance has a breakdown every 2-3 minutes, back then, trance didnt have breakdowns. one track by itself was not enough to 'please' anyone, it is the set that got you into a trance, not the individual tracks (which is impossible unless you're on drugs, your subconscious self cant take control of you in a matter of a few minutes), the tracks were the tools, they werent made for the clubbers to buy on vinyls nor on cds, they were made as tools for the djs.

I still believe this very much exists in trance today. Just don't look for it on ASOT or GDJB. Mike Foyle is one that comes to mind atm.

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and "the music speaks for itself" argument 'doesnt cut it' with you because you probably havent heard any of it.

Don't know exactly what music your talking about but I am thinking we are comparing Oakey/Sasha/Dig/Tiesto/Ferry pre-'01 to today. If yes, then I have heard it.

i believe he's refering to the first half of the 90's

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Originally posted by paranoik0 i believe he's refering to the first half of the 90's

correct.

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What music then exactly? Oakey's goa stuff? Goa is pretty good and very close to what Psy's refering to I think but again, it's goa. Trance, as it's widely defined, didn't really emerge until the late nineties. If I'm wrong about this please do correct me with examples.

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Originally posted by djmetatron What music then exactly? Oakey's goa stuff? Goa is pretty good and very close to what Psy's refering to I think but again, it's goa. Trance, as it's widely defined, didn't really emerge until the late nineties. If I'm wrong about this please do correct me with examples.

for starters:
early platipus
everything harthouse
early oliver lieb
a lot of r&s

and goa was hardly around back then,, there was a bit of it, but not enough.

and trance as it's "widely defined" nowadays is far from what it used to be.

some of my examples may be very acidic, and those examples tend not to fall onto the definition of trance back then, but more of a subgenre, namely acid trance, so ignore those for the purpose of this.

(btw, acid trance is my favorite kind of trance)

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acid trace kicked ass gimmie tres chic and noom any day over asot

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Originally posted by raydn acid trace kicked ass gimmie tres chic and noom any day over asot

bit funny how im listening to avb live atm lol oh well its still pretty good i've heard much worse

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Originally posted by raydn bit funny how im listening to avb live atm lol oh well its still pretty good i've heard much worse

listen to my set instead then

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