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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I sure would like to hear a set that had that sorta entrancing affect. I have only heard isolated tracks but from the things you kids always say it seems like those kind of trance songs work much better as part of a liveset. Are there any deeply hypnotic trance sets that are easy to obtain? The isolated songs from back in the day that ppl keep recomending dont give a very good impression of what it really sounded like. I would really like to hear a set that had Eden Transmission - I'm so high in it. So who has recordings of what trance was "supposed to sound like". Just a good 2 or so hours of that kind of trance, posted somewhere where everyone could have a chance to hear it, would really help alot of people understand the point you guys are trying to make. The closest that I have ever come to hearing something like that is the oakey cd "voyage into trance". There just has to be trance set recordings that were made before robert miles. There is that one website with old realplayer recordings but I havent heard anything on that site yet that sounds trancy.

http://www.the-psychologist.com/mix...n(06162004).mp3

It does the trick quite well for me, quality trance.

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Originally posted by djmetatron not sure why the beat dropping causes you to lose your 'buzz'

have you ever tried to enjoy something, and you're so into it you lose all sense of time and direction and placement and sense of self......and then someone comes up behind you and wacks you on the back of the head with a baseball bat?

Yeah. That's what breakdowns, snare rolls and anthems to. Complete and total momentum killer.

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Originally posted by djmetatron back to the point. snare rolls are used in trance, but they don't define it nor are they it's downfall.

No. Anthems, breakdowns and snare rolls collectively are.

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Originally posted by Ishkur have you ever tried to enjoy something, and you're so into it you lose all sense of time and direction and placement and sense of self......and then someone comes up behind you and wacks you on the back of the head with a baseball bat? Yeah. That's what breakdowns, snare rolls and anthems to. Complete and total momentum killer. No. Anthems, breakdowns and snare rolls collectively are.

So all trance music has to be what you consider right?

Ha!

Also, I fail to see how a good buildup/break kills momentum, breakdowns obviously do, but then that's the idea.

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Originally posted by djmetatron anyway, aiwendil. you are very funny on occasion. but you definatly need to be knocked down a few pegs.

Look, i'm not the one who thinks he knows more about trance than he actually does. Don't blame me.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n This probably stems from me enjoying the social aspect of life, but this sounds like the kinda thing a drugged up hippie would do.

Or a buddhist or gregorian monk, or a whirling dirvish, or a zen master, a painter, a poet, a writer, an athlete (basketbal players talk about it all the time when they're "in the zone"), or anyone who prays, meditates, or watches Joy of Painting with Bob Ross.

It has a psychological and scientific faceplate now: It's called Flow, being spearheaded by Dr. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (pronounced Chick-sent-me-haley) at the University of Chicago. You can chalk it up to drug-using hippies all you want, but it's an important part of the human condition you're missing out on, supported by religions, sociologists, therapists, and the scientific community.

It's a human state of mind, of complete calm and clarity, that is extremely hard to get into, and once in, is fairly easy to snap out of, so one must take careful measures not to succumb to an environment where this might happen. The music, at one point, used to help you reach this state, and guide you once you're in it. It doesn't do that anymore, because of its sudden stops and starts.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n So all trance music has to be what you consider right?

No, trance has to at least be in the slightest bit...well...ENTRANCING.

It's not. You'd think it would live up to its namesake. Go ask Simon Berry or Mark Reeder what they think of today's "trance".

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Also, I fail to see how a good buildup/break kills momentum, breakdowns obviously do, but then that's the idea.

Momentum is a smooth-flowing river.

A breakdown is a dam.
A snare roll is a water fall.

either one ruins your rafting trip.

Understand?

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Look, i'm not the one who thinks he knows more about trance than he actually does. Don't blame me.

I know what I know about trance, and I have expressed it..


lick my balls.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n So all trance music has to be what you consider right?

This is what happens every time:

Ishkur: Trance should be "Trance", like it was back in the late 80's and early 90's.
"Trance Addicts": Well i've been listening to trance since 1998, and the only tracks i've heard from before then are from Robert Miles, Energy 52, X-Cabs, and Pete Lazonby, therefore I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're wrong anyway!

The end.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Momentum is a smooth-flowing river. A breakdown is a dam. A snare roll is a water fall. either one ruins your rafting trip. Understand?

that is a very opinionated statement, and not one that should be construed as fact.

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Momentum is a good trip down the mountain on a snowboard.

A breakdown is a cliff.
A snare roll is a ramp.

neither one ruins my trip.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Momentum is a smooth-flowing river. A breakdown is a dam. A snare roll is a water fall. either one ruins your rafting trip. Understand?

But I don't like rafting.

You can't use your own interpretations to force others to agree with you, why not just listen to that which gives you what you seek?

Things change, so the word 'trance' doesn't mean what it did back in the day... tough, no point whining about it, it's not going to make any difference.

You like trance to be xyz, ergo you listen to xyz.

Other people like abc, some like 123, personal taste, whilst often an 'arguable' topic, isn't really, because it's personal.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil This is what happens every time: Ishkur: Trance should be "Trance", like it was back in the late 80's and early 90's. "Trance Addicts": Well i've been listening to trance since 1998, and the only tracks i've heard from before then are from Robert Miles, Energy 52, and Pete Lazonby, therefore I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're wrong anyway! The end.

I have never said he was wrong, more that he states his opinion as fact.

The sound of what trance was is different to what it is now.

Moaning about it won't change anything, I'd advise Ishkur to take up producing if he really wants to make even the slightest impact.

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