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Cobalt
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC

Nah, Armin isn't a pop artist. He just seems to be trying and failing miserably.

That Madonna is sharp at culling the underground for style is exactly why, almost by definition, she is such a long-running, successful pop artist. The difference is that many of her fans realize this; her brand is a guilty pleasure because it (usually) poppifies so well.

There's such a thing as good and bad pop.

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Cobalt
Trance Isn't Trance



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC

I still get a kick out of this comment on Discogs.
quote:
Originally posted by 0x00
Madonna's influence on electronic music cannot be overstated. Having gained her Masters in electrical engineering from Cornell University, her passion for creating new sonic textures lead her away from academia and along a path that was to alter the way we think of sound.

In 1984 she produced what years later became recognised as the first jungle record: 'Holiday', which utilised homemade synthesis technology, and though it failed to sell all 250 copies her n-pole digital filtering algorithm proved sufficiently innovative to earn a lucrative licensing deal with Korg. But it was acid techno where she made her name. A young Richard D. James was in the crowd during a live performance in the notorious underground club BBC Television Centre. "It was mental," he recalled, "she was setting up huge fucking standing waves everywhere, people would step into them and their arms would snap. It was like the vortex from The Adventure Game."

Responding to accusations that she had sold out after being revealed as the real creative force behind Goldie's 'Timeless' and the publication of her poorly-received book 'Sex', a history of Islamic theology, exegesis and law, Madonna was scornful. "These people wouldn't even know what I was selling out from! They aren't my people. They aren't music people. Homosexual men in their late thirties with large disposable income and racks of Kylie and Abba – THESE are music people."

In 1998 she married film director Chris Cunningham. They have two children.

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Aiwendil
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Registered: Apr 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Cobalt
There's such a thing as good and bad pop.



Good pop:





Baaaaaaaaad pop:


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stevieboy32808
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Registered: Mar 2005
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ishkur
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roger Federer

I read through the posts and noticed a pattern. I think the problem you two guys have is that none of you really defined what electro is? You keep smacking the term around without any proper meaning.

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Aiwendil
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quote:
Originally posted by stevieboy32808
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ishkur
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roger Federer

I read through the posts and noticed a pattern. I think the problem you two guys have is that none of you really defined what electro is? You keep smacking the term around without any proper meaning.


Don't you pay attention...

Jeez.


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vnusboi
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Registered: Aug 2005
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I don't care what all ya'll say! Just enjoy the music. I haven't moved to a dance/pop album in a long while like with this one. Madonna is such a poser sometimes, but this album is amazing club material!!!!! Just enjoy, you technical/jargon poser freaks!

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Estella
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and... YAHHHHH!

We all need to cooommmmmeee together and hail to Missie B's, a gay queens club, form a train and gyrate while Madonna is humping through the speakers. hmm. I'm behind Ishkur!!

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Coup
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Registered: May 2001
Location: England, UK

quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
Madonna is a master of taking what the underground is doing, exploiting it, and selling a cheap, plastic pop version of it to the masses for commercial digestion.

1990: Madonna looks at the underground New York gay fashion scene, full of style, excess, posture, and that lovely Italo House with those piano hooks. She rips off the scene and releases Vogue.

1992: Madonna focuses her sights on the emerging club kink/fetish scene, exploits it, and churns out Erotica. (and releases a raunchy book too, perfect for the art-house crowd).

1998: Madonna sees the growing fascination with trance explode everywhere, seeks to exploit it, hires William Orbit to be her Producer, and the end result is Ray of Light.

2000: French house is king in the club circuit, Madonna notices this too, seeks some funky french filter beats on her next album, which becomes Music. The real genius behind this album? Mirwais.

2005: Now electro-house rules the dancefloors. Naturally, Madonna wants to co-opt this and pretend it's something she invented too. So Confessions on a Dancefloor has got the neo-synthpop sound through and through. The smartest thing she did was hire Les Rhythmes Digitales to be the mastermind of it.

For all her staying power, Madonna is really only good at one thing: Surrounding herself with the best people she can find. I think of her more as a clever businessperson, a scenester, a poser, and a fronter all in one. But not really a musician. She's good at what she does, but she's really only a hollow faceplate, a shallow shell of what's actually there.

While this maybe true, she deserves credit for this in my eyes. She may not be the master originated of what she does, but the fact that she continues to keep her eyes open and ears to the ground with whats going on in the world, knows who to employ to make it a more money making invention than what it was before she got involved, makes excellent business sense.

At the end of the day "Madonna" has become a busines, and when busines's do the above, they make millions, as she has done.

But ultimately she can sing, and she does make good music, if u are prepared to look beyond the politics of it, or how she's made it.

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Sean Cassidy
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Registered: Jan 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Coup
While this maybe true, she deserves credit for this in my eyes. She may not be the master originated of what she does, but the fact that she continues to keep her eyes open and ears to the groud with whats going on in the world, knows who to employ to make it a more money making invention than what it was before she got involved, makes excellent business sense.

At the end of the day "Madonna" has become a busines, and when busines's do the above, they make millions, as she has done.

But ultimately she can sing, and she does make good music, if u are prepared to look beyond the politics of it, or how she's made it.



again - nice post COUP!


Jealousy and fame are sometimes ugly!


And I sense a lot of Jealousy and no FAME in this thread....

Ugly comments from cynical uneducated fools.....

The plague of TA!


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SYSTEM-J
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Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by Coup
While this maybe true, she deserves credit for this in my eyes. She may not be the master originated of what she does, but the fact that she continues to keep her eyes open and ears to the ground with whats going on in the world, knows who to employ to make it a more money making invention than what it was before she got involved, makes excellent business sense.

At the end of the day "Madonna" has become a busines, and when busines's do the above, they make millions, as she has done.

But ultimately she can sing, and she does make good music, if u are prepared to look beyond the politics of it, or how she's made it.


Yes, but you totally miss the point of Ish's post- which is that Madonna goes around proclaiming that she's reinvented modern music, when she is just following the crowd.


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Coup
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But does Madonna go round claiming that shes reinvented x,y & z or does the media say it and she just rides the wave?

I've heard for years "Madonna is the master of reinventing herself" - but its always came from someone elses lips, and never hers.

Madonna - Get Together on this album is great.

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SYSTEM-J
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Well here's the straight up press release from the label:

quote:
Destined to be one of the records of the year, Confessions On A Dance Floor is the eagerly anticipated new album from Madonna. Effortlessly addictive and relentlessly energetic, Madonna reinvents dance music once again with 12 stunning new tracks under the realm of ‘future disco’ – all seamlessly segued in a classic dance club format.


She might not have typed that, but that's the official slant on the record.


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