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Originally posted by JRinger You still haven't answered my question: What is so wrong with just saying "Happy Holidays" -- it doesn't infringe upon your right to celebrate (regardless of what holiday you're celebrating) within your own family any way you choose.

This is exactly what I was trying to get across to them too. it won't work. Some people just can't see multiple sides to an argument even when the other side is only asking to met at a middle and neutral ground.

I'm still celebrating Christmas but all of my greeting cards will say Happy Holidays.

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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Originally posted by JRinger You still haven't answered my question: What is so wrong with just saying "Happy Holidays" -- it doesn't infringe upon your right to celebrate (regardless of what holiday you're celebrating) within your own family any way you choose.

I think what Jayx1 (and me) means is that if Canada was a picture, multiculturalism would be like painting it with different colors. Saying "happy holidays" is kinda like dumping all the paints in one bucket, mixing them, and then painting the picture with whatever monotone color that comes out.

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Originally posted by JRinger The so-called "extra" holidays are really quite a myth. True, kids can take the day off school, but guess what? School remains open, and these kids miss out on a day of education, and risk falling behind or having to make up the work in some manner. True, some adults take the day off work, but there can be pressure not to, and for many non-professional employees who choose to do so anyway, it is often without pay. The firm I work for, like many professional-services firms, encourages their employees to take the day off if they choose, but the time missed at the office essentially has to made up anyway -- I have to bill a certain number of hours per year to meet my goals - I don't receive any offset if I decide to take, say, Yom Kippur off. So, if I choose to take it off, the hours end up getting made up elsewhere during the year.

Yet you don't complain when you get two weeks off work due to Christmas or the day off due to Easter, do you?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I think what Jayx1 (and me) means is that if Canada was a picture, multiculturalism would be like painting it with different colors. Saying "happy holidays" is kinda like dumping all the paints in one bucket, mixing them, and then painting the picture with whatever monotone color that comes out.

I can see that. but picture a painting that has room for all of the colours and is titled 'multiculuralism' (just for the sake of a name). Now this title doens't refer to any one colour, but includes them all. would it be nicer to speak of the 'mulitculuralism' painting or refer to it as the one with the big spot of blue and a bunch of other colors? I guess that's the angle I'm looking at it from.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yet you don't complain when you get two weeks off work due to Christmas or the day off due to Easter, do you?

he would probably prefer to have His holidays off instead though.
If it was a toss up between having someone else's holidays or none at all, I wouldn't complain about getting the same time off.

I'm not trying to start crap with anyone, merely just helping out by playing devil's advocate here.

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I think what Jayx1 (and me) means is that if Canada was a picture, multiculturalism would be like painting it with different colors. Saying "happy holidays" is kinda like dumping all the paints in one bucket, mixing them, and then painting the picture with whatever monotone color that comes out.

No, "Happy Holidays" is an acknowledgement that there are many people in Canada that do not celebrate the same things as you or I. While acknowledging that, you are still free to celebrate your traditions however you choose. Saying "Merry Christmas" to a non-Christian is really no different than saying "Oompaloompa" -- when it boils down to it, it has no meaning, unless they actually celebrate Christmas.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yet you don't complain when you get two weeks off work due to Christmas or the day off due to Easter, do you?

Did you completely miss the point?
I get the same holidays as everyone else in Canada (which, by the way, is NOT 2 weeks at Christmas). If I choose to take another day off here and there, in recognition of a Jewish holiday, I'm either using vacation time or I end up making up the lost billable hours throughout the year.

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Originally posted by nusty I'm still celebrating Christmas but all of my greeting cards will say Happy Holidays.

If anything, it's more convenient too!

You only have to buy one pack of greeting cards for everyone!

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Originally posted by Chiclet If anything, it's more convenient too! You only have to buy one pack of greeting cards for everyone!

Exactly!

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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Originally posted by DigiNut

lol. I love it. I'm sooo using that.

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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Originally posted by DigiNut

Where can I get a pack of those?

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Originally posted by Chiclet Where can I get a pack of those?

Haha, nice eh? I found it online, I'm not sure if they're sold at Hallmark.

You can always just take that picture to a copy shop!

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Originally posted by JRinger But we're not talking about moving to Israel are we? We're talking about living in a country that prides itself (and even sells itself) on it's multicultural nature.

I agree and as I said earlier, TRUE multiculturalism is a celebration of ALL cultures. NOT the sanitization and hiding of them.

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I'll take issue again with your continued implication that people "moved" here and are demanding change -- millions of people of different faiths have been here for generations (myself included).

Then why has it become an issue in the last 15 years whereas before people were more accepting of tradition?

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Furthermore, whether it would be made an issue in any other country really isn't relevant at all -- it IS being made an issue in Canada more and more often, and debate of the issue should revolve around the merits of the issue only.

Sure it is because i find it disheartening that Canadians can be so feeble when it comes to their own culture.

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You still haven't answered my question: What is so wrong with just saying "Happy Holidays" -- it doesn't infringe upon your right to celebrate (regardless of what holiday you're celebrating) within your own family any way you choose.

Because it represents the dilution of tradition. Whats more, this kind of thinking is now forced upon everyone. In many cases we dont have the right to say merry christmas or practice in christmas tradition because companies and governments have dictated that we cannot express ourselves in public. It's one reason i will never send my kids (if i have any) to public schools. How would you like it if suddenly you were forced to refer to the menorah as a "holiday candle"? I dont think that would go over so well now would it?

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The so-called "extra" holidays are really quite a myth. True, kids can take the day off school, but guess what? School remains open, and these kids miss out on a day of education, and risk falling behind or having to make up the work in some manner. True, some adults take the day off work, but there can be pressure not to, and for many non-professional employees who choose to do so anyway, it is often without pay.

Its no myth. I know many jewish kids who seemed to have the whole month of sept off. And yeah i was envious until i found out that most of it was spent at the synoguoge (or church as i thought of it as).. And if you are not allowed to take time off work for religious holidays then the company is in big trouble. Its enshrined as a right in this country. ANd hey thats all fine and dandy. No complaints there!

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The firm I work for, like many professional-services firms, encourages their employees to take the day off if they choose, but the time missed at the office essentially has to made up anyway -- I have to bill a certain number of hours per year to meet my goals - I don't receive any offset if I decide to take, say, Yom Kippur off. So, if I choose to take it off, the hours end up getting made up elsewhere during the year.

Then why not come in on Christmas and make up the work then?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by nusty This is exactly what I was trying to get across to them too. it won't work. Some people just can't see multiple sides to an argument even when the other side is only asking to met at a middle and neutral ground. I'm still celebrating Christmas but all of my greeting cards will say Happy Holidays.

Just because i dont buy the opposing view doesnt mean i dont see where it's coming from.

It's every bit as self serving as the arguement i am stating.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill