Well in that case I'll take your word for it and have a read over, but lets mind the personal attacks in here shall we . Does 2004+ registration have anything to do with this discussion? Lets not stigmatise.

And I'll say it again, lets try focus on the unity in the trance scene rather than constantly creating divisions in the community based on opinions of others which might happen to disagree with those of yourself...ok ok...I'll give this thread a chance now...

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15/10 - Tiesto @ La Rocca, Lier
11/11 - Armin Only @ Ahoy, Rotterdam

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Originally posted by Phil raa i once started a thread "tiesto is god" it got deleted.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! 3, the mixing... is actually improving (YES CLOVIS!) since LA... at least he has found time to actually practice a little on CDJs now... and doesnt wreck everythng like 6 months ago.

this, in my opinion, was just a publicized excuse for his recent hit-or-miss mixing. Any respectable DJ knows that using CDJ's is much easier than using TT's.

as for previous comments on track rotation.. I think we all need to realize that only us crazy webforum fans are the ones that actually pay attention to the tracklists from gig to gig. For the average clubber, they won't know half.. even 3/4 of the songs and won't remember what they sounded like the next day.
I think that's probably one of the most difficult things to do for a big-name dj.. pick fresh tracks every month or so that both sound great in the club and are relatively untouched by other djs of the same caliber.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Tiesto just does not have the passion anymore. Hell I've seen him twice and Lawler twice and the biggest difference besides the music genre is that you always see Lawler checking the soundsystem, drinking beers at the bar with clubbers and playing till they eventually kick his ass off. Lawler is passionate and Tiesto has lost that, I do remember that Tiesto's 2001 Oct set was one of the greatest that I've ever been to. Tiesto just does'nt have that passion but he's not alone, throw Armin, PvD, Ferry among others into that group. That's what is wrong with music today, producers don't have passion, the old music may not have been the greatest production wise but they threw all they had into it.

I agree and disagree. I agree, I feel that tiesto has lost the "passion" but.. I think that Ferry and PvD shouldn't be grouped with tiesto. PvD's mixing is usually near-flawless, and when i saw him last year he played for a good half hour longer than scheduled.. the promoter had to cut him off pretty much, and in the middle of his speech (blah blah blah thanks, give a big hand to paul van...) he cut him off and threw on another tune.
Ferry's mixing is also pretty good, or at least when i saw him last (though that was two years ago). His productions are better than most "top-notch" trance djs also, imo.
And while I'll agree that Armin's mixing is beyond boring to listen to, you have to admit that he's at least passionate for his fans.

HOWEVER,

If anything, I would group tiesto and oakenfold together.. I never believed the shit-spewing against oakenfold until i saw him last year. at least two start-stops, and a handful of trainwrecks. Then, half an hour before he was scheduled to stop, he just lifted the needle, kinda threw his hands up, and walked offstage. everyone got screwed out of their half hour, no encore, no nothin.

Most of the Tiësto bashers have never seen him live anyway; so they totally have no clue what he's like... even if you've heard hundreds of his sets; its not the same as the live experience !

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Originally posted by Push2005 Most of the Tiësto bashers have never seen him live anyway; so they totally have no clue what he's like... even if you've heard hundreds of his sets; its not the same as the live experience !

though if you've heard a hundred trainwrecks in a hundred tiesto sets, you can reasonably assume that he sucks as a dj.

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Originally posted by Push2005 Most of the Tiësto bashers have never seen him live anyway; so they totally have no clue what he's like... even if you've heard hundreds of his sets; its not the same as the live experience !

Exactly. Plus I see a lot of you guys comparing live-sets. Remember you are a minority listening to so many live-sets. Also note that a lot of these live-sets are from different locations and that these huge international dj's play all over the place so it is very normal that they have the same tracks over and over in their playlists to let differnet people in different parts of the world enjoy it.

If you live in a place where a big-name dj only passes once a year then you'll be glad he plays the same tracks he played in other places and not just the newest stuff.

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15/10 - Tiesto @ La Rocca, Lier
11/11 - Armin Only @ Ahoy, Rotterdam

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue though if you've heard a hundred trainwrecks in a hundred tiesto sets, you can reasonably assume that he sucks as a dj.

His mixing skills aren't good... he really, really needs to work on that. But live you don't exactly care... for the basses are so loud and powerful you hardly hear it; i also go party to have a good time, not for listening every crossover the dj does.

Are all these people here critisizing Tiësto going to a party just to hear the dj's transitions ? Well that's pathetic. Ok, i notice them too sometimes; but I wouldn't really let it ruin my night; and that's the point people here dont want to believe, cause they're stubborn.

As i said before; he's an average dj, he deserves no worship, nor bashing. But all that attention to him is a bit exaggerated.

Why don't you bash pvd then if you are a basher and like to bash anyway ? He's gotten so lazy he uses a computer to mix; and his productions are way less qualified than Tiësto's!

I've noticed its quite often people who hardly go out and in many cases have never even heard the dj they criticise live, but mostly listen to live-sets on their computer that are most critical in a negative sense.

Fair enough to have opinions and be critical, but don't let that be the only thing you look at, stop the nit-picking on the details and enjoy !

I wouldn't say Tiesto is an 'average' dj though, he's over-hyped yes (or other dj's are underhyped if you want to look at it that way) but definitely not average

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15/10 - Tiesto @ La Rocca, Lier
11/11 - Armin Only @ Ahoy, Rotterdam

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue I think that's probably one of the most difficult things to do for a big-name dj.. pick fresh tracks every month or so that both sound great in the club and are relatively untouched by other djs of the same caliber.

Exactly, and thats one of the big problems why the DJ and the experienced fan is so damned bored right now. There is almost no new or groundbreaking work being done in this genre.

Almost forcing the artist to resort to rehashing their own productions and creating edit of the edit of the edit to play something 'fresh sounding'.

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Originally posted by Synthesia Does 2004+ registration have anything to do with this discussion? Lets not stigmatise.

Actually i think it does. Check out the last 2 pages compared to the rather high level of posting before it.

Kinda sucks doesn't it.

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Originally posted by Push2005 Are all these people here critisizing Tiësto going to a party just to hear the dj's transitions ?

Not all of us are there to pull either. I go to Tiesto parties because i want to hear some quality music. In between the hits that usually happens.

However, for average joe, going to 1 Tiesto gig per year without any pre-determined goal but to enjoy themselves... i think they'll be disappointed with seeing him live. There is a little thing called FLOW that beat-matching/good tune selecting DJs have in abundance.

Thats why its so noticeable to people here if he does trainwreck. If you're listening (live or otherwise) to a DJ supposedly rated the best in the world, you expect him to have the skills to match.

A defence of Tiesto should never start out with "the people going should...", but "Tiesto should.."

Its his own choice to play the same artist productions/tunes. At the high risk of losing some of his legions of blind-worshipping fans and much sought after capital, its something the older Magik fans have been hankering for, that he did actually return to the clubs and started playing music that wasn't overplayed or geared to the ETN generation.

To further a point Konijn mentioned about the quality being lost when popularity reaches saturation point... there is no denying that whilst at number 1 Tiesto was unhealthily complacent to his career.
ISOS 4 - should have been Nyana 2, shouldn't have been 2xCD if ISOS, should've been MIXED rather than just thrown together in a fortnight last spring. In fact the mixing on that CD is atrocious. Its up there with the Parade Of Athletes CD, that even a representative of Tiesto's management admits was rushed out on the market to capitalise on the hype. The "in concert" series, obviously now high-in-demand to fans worldwide who can all view the DVD's and crave for a show like that near them. Unfortunately the US Tour has proven, it doesn't exactly make for a great spectacle to regularly repeat those kind of scaled down Concerts for the masses.

The new fanbase need to realise that their demand for 'In Concert' format and idolisation of the DJ (despite often wayward technique) only serves to inflate the problems surrounding Tiesto (as well as his over-sized ego!)

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Last edited by MichaelBoogerd! on Feb-01-2006 at 11:37

well this thread got to at least 5 or 6 pages before starting to deterioate. it's an improvement.

one thing i have noticed, and i'm not sure wh, but tiesto followers seem to be quite blinkered. They love tiesto so much but yet don't give other people and djs a chance. It is very fanatical behaviour which you don't seem to get quite as much with PvD or any of the other djs. In the UKs some of the HardHouse djs like the Tidy Boys have equally fanatical fans

Lets face it - Tijs might have the most fans, but they're in 1 of 2 boats.
a) in denial
b) frustrated by the current situation.

I can't explain why his fans don't listen to other DJs but i'd assume it relates strongly to point A.
Following a DJ isnt about listening to music anymore, its comparable to supporting your team. Even if they suck they're YOUR team.

2003 seems a particularly bad year and also a crossroads in my opinion...

Tiesto -> played Traffic everywhere
PvD -> was playing Nothing But You multiple times a night
Ferry -> played Punk everywhere - and continued to make those "artist only sets" for the festivals
Armin -> embraced mcprog - completely losing the quality on ASOT (both radio & label!)

The big difference with that comparison is that at least 2 of the other 3 DJs here have moved on. While the 4th is playing catch up on Tijs (just like throughout his career).

Unfortunately Tijs and Armin are still under the impression that trying to appeal to the masses via artist albums and lavish gig production is the way forwards.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Lets face it - Tijs might have the most fans, but they're in 1 of 2 boats. a) in denial b) frustrated by the current situation. I can't explain why his fans don't listen to other DJs but i'd assume it relates strongly to point A. Following a DJ isnt about listening to music anymore, its comparable to supporting your team. Even if they suck they're YOUR team.

i like that analogy (sp?)

so if you were in Tiesto's shoes what would you do?