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Originally posted by WorkinTheFloor I found a post on houseaddict by floorwhore stating that he always has guestlist for sonic. Ask hm...

Yes i do.

Limited spots, to those who request first.

My email is in my sig if anyone is interested in a reduced spot ($30)

I have a couple left.

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Originally posted by WorkinTheFloor From what I can see you have other choices - pay at the door when you get there. OR Find out from the Promoter if there is any sort of guestlist. I found a post on houseaddict by floorwhore stating that he always has guestlist for sonic. Ask hm...

So let's review the choices

1. Pay full price at the door
2. Pay an extra $4.28 service fee for no reason
3. Go to a gay sex shop
4. Find a promoter and get on his guestlist

The only reasonable option seems like #4. The problem with this is, we don't yet know how guestlist is going to work at this club (ie. how hard it will be to get).

The point is, for your average joe and jane, who don't know a promoter and want to buy tickets early, the options aren't very good. There should be more ways to buy tickets than this advance ticket from ticketbreak nonsense.

What this seems like to me is someone who has money invested into this club wants to have his own little venture grow at the cost of Sonic. You can argue all you want about how there are other methods to buy tickets, but when it comes down to it, this ticket/cover situation is cetainly not going to help the club in a city where people don't even want to pay cover in the first place.

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Originally posted by The Highroller You can argue all you want about how there are other methods to buy tickets, but when it comes down to it, this ticket/cover situation is cetainly not going to help the club in a city where people don't even want to pay cover in the first place.

Well you just said it right there. That is the biggest problem in the city of Toronto - everyone wants to get in for free. Sure not having to pay to get into a club is great, but are you really supporting the scene that way, no. If everyone got in for free how would these clubs pay for the big name talent that you all want to see.

Now it may be annoying to some to buy tickets in advance - whether it be online or in a gay sex shop - for a party, but I think it is a good idea. I can see this lowering the wait time at the front door. if people no longer have to wait for their change, or decide on how many people they are going to pay for, the line will go that much faster.

So now you just have to make a choice. You can either accept the options that have been given to you and make this your "home again" or just don't go.

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Originally posted by Skipper It's an article in the metro...I'm sure it's being read by people who have no clue about Sonic or even house music, so it could be a first impression for many.

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Originally posted by Wyndham a first impression to people who have no clue about the music nor will probably ever go to the club?

those who know and care will see past that bullshit article anyway... those who don't, well, they are not interested in checking out these types of clubs anyway, or if they are, they will hear about how good this place is from their friends in a few weeks/months... and yes, they'll be going "WTF?! That article in the Metro gave me a totally wrong impression"...

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Originally posted by shanny I'll bet for every person that gets turned off by his comment, there will be two who want to see what the hell he's bragging about.

me included on that "curiosity" list

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Originally posted by Special K yea no competition. just a huge megaclub thats been in operation for 10 years and its younger brother of a club that seem to be able to book whomever they want pretty much whenever they want while cockblocking everyone else in town.

a huge megaclub that holds monopoly on every single DJ they bring in (fair game? i think not)... a huge megaclub that is regularly faced with overcrowding issues and makes the whole "partying" experience a joke for an average clubber. no, not a joke, a hassle rather.

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Originally posted by simplemind yeah, Stereo sounded amazing, and its known for its sound. But since Shorty left AND TOOK ALL HIS EQUIPMENT FROM THE CLUB, REPLACED BY GENERIC EQUIPMENT, its really bad. I dont mean its not quite as amazing but still good, I mean it really, really sounds bad in there.

correction. makes more sense now...

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Originally posted by The Highroller I agree. This "advance ticket" BS is a way to create business for ticketbreak.com at the expense of Sonic patrons. $4.28 weekly service fee for tickets? Are you kidding me? I'm sorry, but I am not happy about having to pay Ticketbreak $4.28 a week, on top of paying cover.

I do have to agree that is totally ridiculous... and it's $4.28 charge PER TICKET, not per transaction or something (because they do have to pay their merchant account fees or whatever payment processing fees, sure). But hey, it could be worse -> ticketmaster.ca!

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Originally posted by WorkinTheFloor Well you just said it right there. That is the biggest problem in the city of Toronto - everyone wants to get in for free. Sure not having to pay to get into a club is great, but are you really supporting the scene that way, no. If everyone got in for free how would these clubs pay for the big name talent that you all want to see.

It's all fine and well to banter on about how not wanting to pay cover supports the scene or not, but the fact of the matter is, these are market conditions that Sonic is going to have to deal with. If people don't want to pay cover and Sonic is charging a lot of money to get in (relative to other clubs), and are making it very difficult to get discounts off that price, they're putting themselves in a very bad position.

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Now it may be annoying to some to buy tickets in advance - whether it be online or in a gay sex shop - for a party, but I think it is a good idea. I can see this lowering the wait time at the front door. if people no longer have to wait for their change, or decide on how many people they are going to pay for, the line will go that much faster.

You just contradicted yourself. If it's annoying to buy tickets in advance, why would people do it? With the way things are, less people are going to buy tickets in advance making the wait times at the door even longer.

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So now you just have to make a choice. You can either accept the options that have been given to you and make this your "home again" or just don't go.

You've gotta' love this "if you don't like it, don't go" argument by zealous supporters of nightclubs. I'm obviously still going to go, but I don't have to like the way they're doing things. As a customer, I'm going to make it known that I don't like it in the hopes that they will change things. If enough customers make noise about something they don't like, things will change.

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Originally posted by The Highroller It's all fine and well to banter on about how not wanting to pay cover supports the scene or not, but the fact of the matter is, these are market conditions that Sonic is going to have to deal with. If people don't want to pay cover and Sonic is charging a lot of money to get in (relative to other clubs), and are making it very difficult to get discounts off that price, they're putting themselves in a very bad position.

You may think that they are putting themselves in a bad position, obviously they don't. If they did I am sure they wouldn't do it this way. High ticket prices worked Boa, it works for Stereo, it even works for the guvernment on the occasion (when they over pack the place.)

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You just contradicted yourself. If it's annoying to buy tickets in advance, why would people do it? With the way things are, less people are going to buy tickets in advance making the wait times at the door even longer.

If you would read my post again you would see that I worte that it may annoying for SOME to buy tickjets in advance. I don't think all people find it annoying at all. I really don't see what the problem is with buying tickets in advance. Either pay the extra $4.28 or pay $40 at the door.

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You've gotta' love this "if you don't like it, don't go" argument by zealous supporters of nightclubs. I'm obviously still going to go, but I don't have to like the way they're doing things. As a customer, I'm going to make it known that I don't like it in the hopes that they will change things. If enough customers make noise about something they don't like, things will change.

I say this because I don't understand why you are bitching about it. You explained it, but I still don't get it. Guess we just see things differently

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Originally posted by WorkinTheFloor High ticket prices worked Boa, it works for Stereo, it even works for the guvernment on the occasion (when they over pack the place.)

It worked for Boa???

And Guvernment gets away with the high ticket price due to the fact that their all-access events have a good number of DJ's that interest everyone. It has nothing to do with "overpacking".

It obviously did not work for Boa, or we would not even be discussing the Sonic opening. Boa made it quite easy to get tickets, reduced guest list and so on. They charged $20.00 on an average week and more for big name nights, but you did not have to pay a service charge.

I can certainly understand the ticketbreak option for big name nights, but I am anxious to see what happens on week 2 and 3 when Sonic wants $20.00 plus $4.28 service charge, or $30.00 at the door. I don't think they have the talent to support those prices.

We can bitch all we like, but the reality of any business start up is to know your competition, and if you are going to charge more, you need a better product, and is this case, in my opinion, the product is the talent...then the sound, and least of all, the decor.

The opening week looks great, but after that, until the long weekend in May, I am not so sure!

Ummm yeah it did work for boa. The club was packed every weekend. IMO it stopped working for boa when they lost Carey and couldn't bring in the big name DJs that you all wanted to see, but were still charging $30 - $40 at the door to get in. Fine on occasion they charged $20 at the door, but the price always went up when they would get a good turn out - like most other clubs.

I understand why guvernment gets away with it. Paying $50 it see 3 - 4 DJs that you really like is a good deal. But they do overpack the place. I for one have never really had a good time there because there is no room to dance.


Fairy Godfather - Opening night does look good. But so do the weeks after. You just have to give other DJs a chance. I think most people will be impressed with Danny Torrance.
You think the talent is number one - and it is - but I would much rather party at a venue that has sound that won't hurt your ears, and at a venue that has nice decor then a place that is a hole in the ground.

Boa stopped being "crowed" every weekend early last spring, before Carey left. They had a few good nights, in fact the only one that I remember being really "packed" was the Sunday of the May long weekend, when the talent line up was exactly the same as the opening night for Sonic.

A club relying solely on cover to survive needs to make it as easy as possible for people to get in. Yes, you can get "guestlist" without service charge, but if you read Floorwhore's post, he clearly says "limited". The number of people in my party this week would have eaten up two thirds of what the "limited" guest numbers allowed, according to ne of the promoters I spoke to. As a result, I only got two spots on guest list where in any other club in town, I can get my entire party on.

No one wants Sonic to succeed more than I do, I can't wait to be back home again! Cover is not an issue for me at all. But I don't want to be dancing alone!

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Originally posted by fairy godfather Cover is not an issue for me at all. But I don't want to be dancing alone!

interesting point

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