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Originally posted by Psy-T i already did: the genre house was named after the warehouse club and it was used to describe the kind of music that was played there. so being strict to the original defintion, there are no new house records and there haven't been any in years.

But it´s NOT like that, the genre name and it´s origine is completely irrelevant there and that´s what are we talking about! It´s impossible to say that everything what´s played out of Warehouse is not house. What genre are the "new" house records then?

So, according to this theory, which says, that the genre name is irrelevant and does not have any effect on the actual sound of the tracks (which are included in the genre), trance does not need to have any signs of the dictionary definition of the word "trance" and still can be labeled as trance.

Huh?

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Originally posted by paulandrews But it´s NOT like that, the genre name and it´s origine is completely irrelevant there and that´s what are we talking about! It´s impossible to say that everything what´s played out of Warehouse is not house. What genre are the "new" house records then? So, according to this theory, which says, that the genre name is irrelevant and does not have any effect on the actual sound of the tracks (which are included in the genre), trance does not need to have any signs of the dictionary definition of the word "trance" and still can be labeled as trance. Huh?

"huh" indeed, your statements do not follow one another and make for an incoherent post.


if the origin of a genre classification is completely irrelavant to it's sound there's no reason not to call a britney spears tune progressive tribal trance, and there's no reason not to call a 2pac tune acid techno, and there's no reason not to call a paul van dyk tune country music.... and there's no reason to use genre names whatsoever. if this is what you strive for you have no business on this thread or on this board (as far as music is concerned).

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You did NOT get it!!!

WTF!

trance does not need to have any signs of the dictionary definition of the word "trance" and still can be labeled as trance.

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Originally posted by paulandrews You did NOT get it!!! WTF! trance does not need to have any signs of the dictionary definition of the word "trance" and still can be labeled as trance.

what does it need then?

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Originally posted by paulandrews You did NOT get it!!! WTF! trance does not need to have any signs of the dictionary definition of the word "trance" and still can be labeled as trance.

well if trance music isn't hypnotic, enchanting, rhythmic then it more or less totally lost its meaning and therefor shouldn't have much to do with trance music.

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Originally posted by Psy-T if the origin of a genre classification is completely irrelavant to it's sound there's no reason not to call a britney spears tune progressive tribal trance, and there's no reason not to call a 2pac tune acid techno, and there's no reason not to call a paul van dyk tune country music.... and there's no reason to use genre names whatsoever. if this is what you strive for you have no business on this thread or on this board (as far as music is concerned).

What the hell are you talking about?

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so 'epic trance' doesn't deserve the 'trance' name.. holy newsflash. unfortunately it gets it whether people like it or not, arguing against it is frankly futile


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Originally posted by Psy-T if the origin of a genre classification is completely irrelavant to it's sound there's no reason not to call a britney spears tune progressive tribal trance, and there's no reason not to call a 2pac tune acid techno, and there's no reason not to call a paul van dyk tune country music.... and there's no reason to use genre names whatsoever. if this is what you strive for you have no business on this thread or on this board (as far as music is concerned).

there is a reason. the reason is that thousands of prior tunes akin to britney spears have not been labelled as progressive tribal trance. 2pac, nor other music in his style, has never been classified as acid techno, and country fans would not cite paul van dyk as one of their preferred producers, nor any other producer similar to him.

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Originally posted by isoterra there is a reason. the reason is that thousands of prior tunes akin to britney spears have not been labelled as progressive tribal trance. 2pac, nor other music in his style, has never been classified as acid techno, and country fans would not cite paul van dyk as one of their preferred producers, nor any other producer similar to him.

Exactly. The mistake is to assume that genre-labelling is an exact science, when many major genres have been named and defined by opportunistic journalists or DJs on a whim. It still baffles people trying to connect progressive house with progressive trance, and presumably prog rock in turn. None share any defining musical feature which makes them "progressive", the word just means forward-thinking. A change. A new type of house, a new type of trance.

You either call epic trance trance, you call it euro or you call it something new entirely. It didn't come out of euro- it came out of a process of making trance more melody-centric, more hooky and more dramatic. It resembles Euro in sound, but not in roots. And epic trance is really far too small and far too limited a style to deserve its own genre. It's simply an extension of the trance sound into a new area. It doesn't sound like the initial "trance" definition, but that's where it came from and that's enough to classify it.

Compared to how diverse "house" has been stretched to become, there's really no issue.

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This thread makes me happy, it descended into a philosophical semantic thing without me ever posting. I just got back from a crazy weekend. At that party they played both kinds. I don't remember who most of them were, but I'll see them again. I had so much fun, I dont care what that music was called, what it evolved out of, who made it or whether it sticks to the original intentions, fuck all of that.

Trance is supposed to be enjoyable repititions. There is compromise between repitition and engagement, trance requires both. Nobody is debating whether someting is repetitive or not (but there are some confusing patterns...). Enjoyable causes all the drama cuz ppl enjoy different stuff. Life wouldnt be interesting if we all enjoyed the same way. Repititions CAN'T entrance victims if they aren't engaged by them (but forced exposure to something for a long enough time will get engage people eventually, call it "trance abuse"). Like it or not people are engaged by epic sound, and that music does indeed contain some repititions. People get all upset because they dont think epic has enough, that's fine there are plenty of alternatives. Epic isn't unqualified for the term (IMO) because it is engaging and has some repitition.

There is just no way to quantify repetition or engagement. With no measure people are left to argue, I don't see the point (yet I am still here typing out this reply that nobody will bother reading, maybe enjoy this site too much). How repetitive must trance be? How engaging? Should trance break repetitions for more engaging qualities or is it interesting enough already? These are the questions raised in this thread, it all depends the most subjective thing in the world, engagement.

I enjoy friendly crowds, loud music, open minds, all the noises we make, all the different feelings they cause. How can something so simple as an air shaking machine (with the occasional chemical suppliment) make so many different reactions? It is a fun thing to think about and experience in the company of friends, trance should be that, and it is, and it still happens, I overendulged myself on it this past saturday!

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