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Originally posted by Magnetonium I am not saying I am absolutely certain, this is a very weak topic. I just believe in this. In my opinion there's strong evidence from former government and military officials of high ranks, architecture and art. Its not conclusive by any means. I believe that the truth will come out eventually.

Then STOP pushing it out there like its true, seriously, the way you write things AFFECTS the way people interpret them.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX All the conjetures from history that you guys bring up HAVE BEEN DISPROVED. Seriously, many a test are out there on how all those expectacular buildings were built. It IS possible and IT WAS possible to build them with the technology they had. Stop making it sound like there is no proof or no research done on why and how and when ancient societies dissappeared and how they built their cities. All this "oh look at their buildings some aliens most of helped them" is getting quite ridiculous, go do some more research instead of blabbering on.

Well how do you explain this....

The Egyptians supposedly built all of the pyramids at Giza. But then there's this "step pyramid" that was crudely built out of mud..not brick/stone. How do you go from building something so pathetic as that, to something so big as the Great Pyramid?? With rollers?? Tens of Thousands of slaves? Just to build these great Pyramids for tombs and then at one point...stop making them? I'm of the theory they built the step pyramid as a way to duplicate these pyramids they saw and occupied, and another civilization, no not alien...built the Pyramids before them, that had the technology to do so...and they weren't used as tombs until the Egyptians came along and built a civilization around them. I think man was much more advanced than what we commonly are lead to believe, and somewhere along the lines...we lost this knowledge and had to start over. The Egyptians, or perhaps another group of people after them, built the step pyramid. The Egyptians could have built it and were more advanced than what we think...thats another possibility.

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Originally posted by venomX Then STOP pushing it out there like its true, seriously, the way you write things AFFECTS the way people interpret them.

Yeah he is, i'm not trying to with my stuff. The whole alien base thing, it's speculation, I don't claim for it to be true, however part of me does believe it.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Well how do you explain this.... The egyptians supposedly built all of the pyramids at Giza. But then there's this "step pyramid" that was crudely built out of mud..not brick/stone. How do you go from building something so pathetic as that, to something so big as the Great Pyramid?? With rollers?? Tens of Thousands of slaves? Just to build these great Pyramids and then at one point...stop making them? I'm of the theory they built the step pyramid as a way to duplicate these pyramids they saw and occupied, and another civilization, no not alien...built the Pyramids before them, that had the technology to do so...and they weren't used as tombs until the Egyptians came along and built a civilization around them.

so, are you going to insert "aliens" into everything we dont understand? do you really think thats a suitable answer? better than simply "hey, i dont know" ??

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, are you going to insert "aliens" into everything we dont understand? do you really think thats a suitable answer? better than simply "hey, i dont know" ??

Uh no, I never said aliens built the pyramids did I? I don't believe that...I don't believe aliens built all of these temples around the world. Man did, but with technology/knowledge that we think they didn't possess. It wasn't just thousands of slaves or rollers and planks as some archaeologists lead us to believe. I don't atribute everything to aliens, heck I don't atribute all UFO sightings to "Alien Spaceships" but they are just that...UFOs. The natural phenomenon theory doesn't hold much water in all cases, nor does experimental aircraft either (which is possible but it has some holes as i've noted).

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Well how do you explain this.... The Egyptians supposedly built all of the pyramids at Giza. But then there's this "step pyramid" that was crudely built out of mud..not brick/stone. How do you go from building something so pathetic as that, to something so big as the Great Pyramid?? With rollers?? Tens of Thousands of slaves? Just to build these great Pyramids for tombs and then at one point...stop making them? I'm of the theory they built the step pyramid as a way to duplicate these pyramids they saw and occupied, and another civilization, no not alien...built the Pyramids before them, that had the technology to do so...and they weren't used as tombs until the Egyptians came along and built a civilization around them. I think man was much more advanced than what we commonly are lead to believe, and somewhere along the lines...we lost this knowledge and had to start over.

Here you go, links of the construction techniques used to built pyramids. Also notice the 1 century difference between the step pyramid and the other pyramids, i would say 100years is a good amount of time to perfect a building technique.

Overview of Egypt Pyramid Construction

Smithsonian Encyclopedia: Egyptian Pyramids

More

EDIT: Actual tests have been conducted for those techniques, same for the Easter Island statues, and it didnt require that many men, and wasnt that costly. The last link supplies some of that info.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX What the crap, hypnotists now!?! Hypnosis has been proven to be complete and utter bullshit, this is the last drop lol im leaving this threat. Hypnosis has been widely disproven by psychologist because it basically inplants ideas into peoples heads, nothing else.

Yeah, right. In this case, in this Dolores Cannon book series, the person under hypnotism actually corrects the author, not the vice versa.

Yeah, like lets say you firmly believe in something, and then under hypnotism you find out its opposite. Then when you come back, you still stick to your original point and you dont even remember what happened in the process.

Thats what Dolores Cannon does.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, right. In this case, in this Dolores Cannon book series, the person under hypnotism actually corrects the author, not the vice versa. Yeah, like lets say you firmly believe in something, and then under hypnotism you find out its opposite. Then when you come back, you still stick to your original point and you dont even remember what happened in the process. Thats what Dolores Cannon does.

Just because shes good at giving out cues doesnt mean its true. And some research would have to be done into her methods to see exactly what she does, but in general hypnotists have no credibility. You want to amuse yourself? the simplest form of disconfirmation for most of this stuff: the Amazing Randy. I can tell you this, manipulation under hypnosis is not hard at all, and just by how memory works all this is BS. Memories are actively constructed, ie. your current knowledge affects what and how you remember. Uncovering memories all of the sudden just doesnt happen with our neural mechanisms.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

what do you guys think about our own moon??why do you think we havent been able to go back?Did someone told us not go back?
and finally do you guys believe that Nasa is flitering all the information/images from space before it gets to us?

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Before I go to sleep, I'd like to comment on the Cheops Pyramid.

Here are some things scientists have failed to note properly on:

1) Cheops Pyramid is actually located at the CENTER OF THE EARTH'S LANDMASS. If you take your flat world map, starting on Americas on the left, Giza plateau is EXACTLY in the center. Coincidence?

2) 2 million or so stones were used, average weight of 10 tons. Many stones were precisely cut to accomodate the design. This is not just a pyramid-like design, it has passageways, chambers and shafts that would easily disprove the considered official story of dragging the stone up using slave labour. People who built this had plans, magnificent ideas and employed workforce to make sure the stones fit perfectly. Its now been widely acknowledged that no slaves were used building this, but actual workers.

3) Where did the massive number of stones come from??? The nearest place to carve rock is nearly 5 miles away, on the OTHER end of Nile river.

4) Perfectly aligned shafts of the Great Pyramid once pointed exactly at the main star in the Orion constellation. It is believed by some that the Pyramid was actually build at around 11,000 B.C., when the Orion constellation corresponding star shone directly into the shaft.

5) Here;s some food for thought: the so-called King's "tomb" is actually too big to have been carried into the Pyramid. It was placed there before the construction finished. It is actually not a tomb and there's no evidence whatsoever that it was used for burial in the first place.

6) Sphinx is believed to have been built long before the Great Pyramid. It was once almost completely covered by sand, and its been excavated out of its "tomb" not that long ago ;-)

7) The Pyramid was constructed with absolute mathematical precision, which today's mathematicians find hard to believe - how come Egyptians built something to advanced and magnificent as Keops Pyramid out of nowhere? Where did they get the complex mathematical knowledge in 2000-3000 BC? It would require a lot of work and time for our currently advanced civilization to even match this masterpiece.

8) The entire 5mile area of the Giza plateau is perfectly flat ... these Egyptians were some really good architects, eh?

9) New chambers and rooms have been found since 1990, placing holes in the official story on the Pyramids. One of the new rooms was found beside King's. Should these rooms be called "Sister's Chamber", "Princess Chamber"? There's even a tunnel connecting to a room under the Sphinx, the protector of the Pyramids' "secret".


Some great examples on the magnificence of architeture:

http://www.aiwaz.net/modules.php?na...=article&sid=15
more on above: http://www.aiwaz.net/giza/

There's some better info I have elsewhere, I have to get back to this sometime.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Before I go to sleep, I'd like to comment on the Cheops Pyramid. Here are some things scientists have failed to note properly on: 1) Cheops Pyramid is actually located at the CENTER OF THE EARTH'S LANDMASS. If you take your flat world map, starting on Americas on the left, Giza plateau is EXACTLY in the center. Coincidence? 2) 2 million or so stones were used, average weight of 10 tons. Many stones were precisely cut to accomodate the design. This is not just a pyramid-like design, it has passageways, chambers and shafts that would easily disprove the considered official story of dragging the stone up using slave labour. People who built this had plans, magnificent ideas and employed workforce to make sure the stones fit perfectly. Its now been widely acknowledged that no slaves were used building this, but actual workers. 3) Where did the massive number of stones come from??? The nearest place to carve rock is nearly 5 miles away, on the OTHER end of Nile river. 4) Perfectly aligned shafts of the Great Pyramid once pointed exactly at the main star in the Orion constellation. It is believed by some that the Pyramid was actually build at around 11,000 B.C., when the Orion constellation corresponding star shone directly into the shaft. 5) Here;s some food for thought: the so-called King's "tomb" is actually too big to have been carried into the Pyramid. It was placed there before the construction finished. It is actually not a tomb and there's no evidence whatsoever that it was used for burial in the first place. 6) Sphinx is believed to have been built long before the Great Pyramid. It was once almost completely covered by sand, and its been excavated out of its "tomb" not that long ago ;-) 7) The Pyramid was constructed with absolute mathematical precision, which today's mathematicians find hard to believe - how come Egyptians built something to advanced and magnificent as Keops Pyramid out of nowhere? Where did they get the complex mathematical knowledge in 2000-3000 BC? It would require a lot of work and time for our currently advanced civilization to even match this masterpiece. 8) The entire 5mile area of the Giza plateau is perfectly flat ... these Egyptians were some really good architects, eh? 9) New chambers and rooms have been found since 1990, placing holes in the official story on the Pyramids. One of the new rooms was found beside King's. Should these rooms be called "Sister's Chamber", "Princess Chamber"? There's even a tunnel connecting to a room under the Sphinx, the protector of the Pyramids' "secret". Some great examples on the magnificence of architeture: http://www.aiwaz.net/modules.php?na...=article&sid=15 more on above: http://www.aiwaz.net/giza/ There's some better info I have elsewhere, I have to get back to this sometime.

Have you read Graham Hancock's book "Fingerprints of the Gods"? He talks about the same stuff. He notes that the Sphinx shows evidence, esp on the side of the body, of a great flood which was thought to have taken place 10,000 years ago, not 2500 or so when we were thought to believe the Sphinx was built. And the head was that of a Lion, not a Pharoh, Khafra, as they had carved it as.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] Before I go to sleep, I'd like to comment on the Cheops Pyramid. Here are some things scientists have failed to note properly on: 1) Cheops Pyramid is actually located at the CENTER OF THE EARTH'S LANDMASS. If you take your flat world map, starting on Americas on the left, Giza plateau is EXACTLY in the center. Coincidence? 2) 2 million or so stones were used, average weight of 10 tons. Many stones were precisely cut to accomodate the design. This is not just a pyramid-like design, it has passageways, chambers and shafts that would easily disprove the considered official story of dragging the stone up using slave labour. People who built this had plans, magnificent ideas and employed workforce to make sure the stones fit perfectly. Its now been widely acknowledged that no slaves were used building this, but actual workers. 3) Where did the massive number of stones come from??? The nearest place to carve rock is nearly 5 miles away, on the OTHER end of Nile river. 4) Perfectly aligned shafts of the Great Pyramid once pointed exactly at the main star in the Orion constellation. It is believed by some that the Pyramid was actually build at around 11,000 B.C., when the Orion constellation corresponding star shone directly into the shaft. 5) Here;s some food for thought: the so-called King's "tomb" is actually too big to have been carried into the Pyramid. It was placed there before the construction finished. It is actually not a tomb and there's no evidence whatsoever that it was used for burial in the first place. 6) Sphinx is believed to have been built long before the Great Pyramid. It was once almost completely covered by sand, and its been excavated out of its "tomb" not that long ago ;-) 7) The Pyramid was constructed with absolute mathematical precision, which today's mathematicians find hard to believe - how come Egyptians built something to advanced and magnificent as Keops Pyramid out of nowhere? Where did they get the complex mathematical knowledge in 2000-3000 BC? It would require a lot of work and time for our currently advanced civilization to even match this masterpiece. 8) The entire 5mile area of the Giza plateau is perfectly flat ... these Egyptians were some really good architects, eh? 9) New chambers and rooms have been found since 1990, placing holes in the official story on the Pyramids. One of the new rooms was found beside King's. Should these rooms be called "Sister's Chamber", "Princess Chamber"? There's even a tunnel connecting to a room under the Sphinx, the protector of the Pyramids' "secret".

clearly, the answer to the above 9 points is "aliens". they built the pyramids, then came back to crashland in roswell, and now spend their time underneath the burmuda triangle biding their time before unleashing their untold power across the world.

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