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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Kind of funny how we've been typing the same thing at the same time all day

ha. Indeed, sir.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium USA doesnt give a shit how many people are starving around the world, and how the same dictatorships it helped to install since 1970s around the world has killed so many innocent people.

And the U.N. does? Ask Kofi how much he cares about the oil for food program.

I agree with Magnetonium.

The US are too conceited in their own wealth and the strength, and thus have became a hostage of this situation.

I think the US who is pushing other nations to acknowledge that it should act as a policeman of the world. Something that is quite similar to what the USSR did after the WW2. They thought they are represent a salvation to every country occupied by the fascists so they turned on to be the occupants by them self.

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Originally posted by Shakka And the U.N. does? Ask Kofi how much he cares about the oil for food program.

Ask Bush how much he cares about the peace and safety in Iraq and Afganistan.

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Originally posted by Shakka And the U.N. does? Ask Kofi how much he cares about the oil for food program.

His family is in on it too. Yeah, we all know what happened, all politicians are corrupt, yeah I know.


Oil for food program didnt do jack shit by the way. And we all know it. Embargo on Iraq was the the stupidest and most murderous act since WW2. And it achieved nothing good, other than weaken Iraq enough for American tanks and planes to easily cruise through terribly crippled, weakened, forsakened country.

While the people starved, the murderous corrupt leaders lived in uttermost luxury. And Americans just watched and laughed ;-) oh, its so funny ... hundreds of thousands civilians dead from lack of clean water, food, bombed out schools, hospitals, infrastructure ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL ... the world DEMANDED USA NOT to invade Iraq, Afghanistan. UN even told USA not to invade, but to continue pursuing political solutions. USA refused. And no weapons have been found, and Iraq and Afghanistan today are not better off than they were before: the countries are in ruins, rape murder and bombings are everyday, corruption lack of jobs, no schools or money for many kids to go to schools, etc. etc. It is UN's job to police the world, not USA. USA is only following its own interests, not the worlds interests. USA doesnt give a shit how many people are starving around the world, and how the same dictatorships it helped to install since 1970s around the world has killed so many innocent people. USA called Georgia's new leader as democratic. Yeah, he arrests the opposition en-masse claiming they were planning to overthrow the state. Yeah, democracy .... democracy in Turkmenistan, USA's ally in War On Terror - yet Turmenistan is one of the world worst authoritarian states ... WOO HOO, bring democracy around the world!

You should be a politician, because you've obviously got the qualifications. You really know how to ignore the main point by pointing to some detail that is unrelated to what I was talking about and ignoring the many valid points that you can't/won't refute.

This thread is about Korea, not Iraq. When you realize that Korea is not Iraq, you'll be a lot better off and maybe your arguments will be taken more seriously. When I was talking about policing the world, I was not talking about Iraq, which you obviously haven't gotten through your thick skull that I'm not in favor of.

Oh, and yeah, Americans just laughed and watched as people starved. That's why Americans give so much money to humanitarian efforts. Seriously, go fuck yourself.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You should be a politician, because you've obviously got the qualifications. You really know how to ignore the main point by pointing to some detail that is unrelated to what I was talking about and ignoring the many valid points that you can't/won't refute. This thread is about Korea, not Iraq. When you realize that Korea is not Iraq, you'll be a lot better off and maybe your arguments will be taken more seriously. When I was talking about policing the world, I was not talking about Iraq, which you obviously haven't gotten through your thick skull that I'm not in favor of. Oh, and yeah, Americans just laughed and watched as people starved. That's why Americans give so much money to humanitarian efforts. Seriously, go fuck yourself.

Yeah, humanitarian efforts my ass. What did they achieve? The money came straight into Saddam Hussein's pockets, and actually justified his oppression even more.

I have already concluded my points on NK, there's hardly anything else that can be stated other than talking about it over and over again, and with the kind of dumb questions you ask that will take a long time ;-) I just don't understand how clear to get to you, how many analogies to use so that you can see whats going on. But its fruitless. Discussion over on this topic.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, humanitarian efforts my ass. What did they achieve? The money came straight into Saddam Hussein's pockets, and actually justified his oppression even more.

You just go ahead and keep your monocular vision on Iraq, because yet again, that was not what I was talking about.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I have already concluded my points on NK, there's hardly anything else that can be stated other than talking about it over and over again, and with the kind of dumb questions you ask that will take a long time ;-) I just don't understand how clear to get to you, how many analogies to use so that you can see whats going on. But its fruitless. Discussion over on this topic.

Gimme your best analogy. G'head, lay it on us.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You should be a politician, because you've obviously got the qualifications. You really know how to ignore the main point by pointing to some detail that is unrelated to what I was talking about and ignoring the many valid points that you can't/won't refute. This thread is about Korea, not Iraq. When you realize that Korea is not Iraq, you'll be a lot better off and maybe your arguments will be taken more seriously. When I was talking about policing the world, I was not talking about Iraq, which you obviously haven't gotten through your thick skull that I'm not in favor of. Oh, and yeah, Americans just laughed and watched as people starved. That's why Americans give so much money to humanitarian efforts. Seriously, go fuck yourself.

Funny thing is he basically proves the point we made without even realizing it. The U.S. is a sovereign nation that acts in its own interest (though quite often in the best interest of the world). In the one shining case that he can bring up (Iraq), he is steamed that the U.S. did not bow to the wishes of however many other nations were opposed to U.S. action, even though they all have their own distinct agendas.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I have already concluded my points on NK, there's hardly anything else that can be stated other than talking about it over and over again, and with the kind of dumb questions you ask that will take a long time ;-) I just don't understand how clear to get to you, how many analogies to use so that you can see whats going on. But its fruitless. Discussion over on this topic.

I went back and wasted my time re-reading every one of your comments on this thread before i responded to make sure I didn't come off incorrectly. Now that I have, PLEASE, please illustrate to me where you made points on NK. The majority of your posts in this thread either had nothing to do with NK, were just attacking the US and their Iraq policy, or were about NK, but then retracted when you came up with a paranoid theory propogated by some media person you listened to (kind of sounds like most of your arguments, actually). The only times you mentioned NK were in the beginning of the thread (page 4), where you said:

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Don't worry, USA is not invading NK, no plans because there are not enough resources for yet another front. Plus there's no oil or gas in NK - the war will be a total waste of money. So USA will somehow either pressure China or Russia, but eventually it will be forced to recognize NK's nuclear ambitions discreetly ;-) On the other hand, USA will use force in Iran, because of strategic location, and more importantly, oil and gas ;-) However, if NK strikes South Korea / Japan / USA, then American government will come up with an idea to make others fight the war, or will somehow find an aspect of the war on which they can earn some money ;-) Thats my 2 cents.

then went on to say a few pages later that NK developed weapons to ward off a potential US attack.

To be honest, it's downright ridiculous that you're even trying to 1) pin this NK mess on the US, when it's a world problem, as illustrated by every nation involved condemning the actions, even the Chinese who 50 years ago bailed NK out when SK and the US had pinned the entire NK army back against the Chinese border, and 2)deny that many states around the world look at the US as the policeman. North Korea doesn't deny it, which is why they aren't interested in 6 party talks and just wanted to talk to us, though we refused because why should we have to negotiate with every child (or childish nation) that demands our attention.

I was fine with locking NK in their room for a time-out, but unfortunately, they're growing physically, but not mentally, and that can become a problem when you're trying to make the children grow up and act like the responsible adults surrounding it.

By the way, which "dumb questions" were you referring to that you thought were so below you that you didn't feel the need to answer?

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Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

Alright, alright. I see what you are getting at. Sorry to make you go through my posts. Basically I was saying that NK fears that United States will attack it and overthrow the regime, as part of their war on terror and spreading of democracy. USA has already shown that not even UN will be able to stop them. It sees that US will not protect them, but instead use the lack of NK streategic weapons to possibly invade and/or overthrow the regime. Thats where the nuclear weapons come in.

United States have invaded Iraq, breaking the treaty they signed over non-proliferation (had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that treaty said that nuclear-powers agreed not to use agression against the non-nuclear countries in exchange for arms reductions and for not developing nuclear weapons).

As for your argument about USA invading Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, its bull. USA currently possesses and develops these WMD. Same with its allies. Seems not fair that while the rest of the world is not allowed to develop these weapons, the West is allowed to keep them and develop new ones!

How can these little countries feel secure and how can they trust covert United States which overthrew so many regimes in the last 50 years to just trust their word?

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