Phase. Phase. Phase.

Everyone always forgets about phase.

Its one of the 3 dimensions you will be working with in your project - amplitude, frequency, phase offset.

You can have 2 instruments with harmonics peaking in exactly the same frequency ranges but if they have different periods, you will not get a large spike in amplitude. The extent of this depends on how large the phase difference is.

It is not to be confused with panning which is completely separate. You don't need to hipass anything unless you want several sounds sharing the same frequency ranges in zero phase.

Over the weekend I will write a tutorial on this because you never hear about it on this forum and it is an incredibly important part of making space for instruments in a mix. All you need is a stereo channel delay plugin like Voxengo Audio Delay (which is free so theres no excuse).

I've already got an ImpOSCar tutorial done. Just need to add pictures, render all the tutorial sounds and upload the fxps. I'll post that up on Monday after the office bash tonight and the obligatory weekend to sober up.

I hope to fuck it gets stickied in font size 40 neon text so these types of threads will just disappear but who the hell am I kidding...

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Originally posted by Derivative Phase. Phase. Phase. Everyone always forgets about phase. Its one of the 3 dimensions you will be working with in your project - amplitude, frequency, phase offset. You can have 2 instruments with harmonics peaking in exactly the same frequency ranges but if they have different periods, you will not get a large spike in amplitude. The extent of this depends on how large the phase difference is. It is not to be confused with panning which is completely separate. You don't need to hipass anything unless you want several sounds sharing the same frequency ranges in zero phase. Over the weekend I will write a tutorial on this because you never hear about it on this forum and it is an incredibly important part of making space for instruments in a mix. All you need is a stereo channel delay plugin like Voxengo Audio Delay (which is free so theres no excuse). I've already got an ImpOSCar tutorial done. Just need to add pictures, render all the tutorial sounds and upload the fxps. I'll post that up on Monday after the office bash tonight and the obligatory weekend to sober up. I hope to fuck it gets stickied in font size 40 neon text so these types of threads will just disappear but who the hell am I kidding...

Sweetness i'll be waiting.

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Phase sounds interesting, its not something I've considered with synths before, but I suppose it applies as much to them as to acoustic sources like guitars and vocals... Looking foward to it

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Originally posted by Derivative Phase. Phase. Phase. Everyone always forgets about phase. Its one of the 3 dimensions you will be working with in your project - amplitude, frequency, phase offset. You can have 2 instruments with harmonics peaking in exactly the same frequency ranges but if they have different periods, you will not get a large spike in amplitude. The extent of this depends on how large the phase difference is. It is not to be confused with panning which is completely separate. You don't need to hipass anything unless you want several sounds sharing the same frequency ranges in zero phase. Over the weekend I will write a tutorial on this because you never hear about it on this forum and it is an incredibly important part of making space for instruments in a mix. All you need is a stereo channel delay plugin like Voxengo Audio Delay (which is free so theres no excuse). I've already got an ImpOSCar tutorial done. Just need to add pictures, render all the tutorial sounds and upload the fxps. I'll post that up on Monday after the office bash tonight and the obligatory weekend to sober up. I hope to fuck it gets stickied in font size 40 neon text so these types of threads will just disappear but who the hell am I kidding...

thanks man. I love my imposcar. couldn't live without it. and im very anxious to hear about the phasing. seems interesting.

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To be honest I dont even use the virus ti. The presets sound like ass and its hard as hell to make good sounds. Just to make a good sound you have to go through all that routing and crap . The waveforms sound so raw that doesnt help at all either, hence why I dont use it and have sold it.

Probably the funniest thing I've read on these forums for a long time.

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Originally posted by Derivative Phase. Phase. Phase. Everyone always forgets about phase. Its one of the 3 dimensions you will be working with in your project - amplitude, frequency, phase offset. You can have 2 instruments with harmonics peaking in exactly the same frequency ranges but if they have different periods, you will not get a large spike in amplitude. The extent of this depends on how large the phase difference is. It is not to be confused with panning which is completely separate. You don't need to hipass anything unless you want several sounds sharing the same frequency ranges in zero phase. Over the weekend I will write a tutorial on this because you never hear about it on this forum and it is an incredibly important part of making space for instruments in a mix. All you need is a stereo channel delay plugin like Voxengo Audio Delay (which is free so theres no excuse). I've already got an ImpOSCar tutorial done. Just need to add pictures, render all the tutorial sounds and upload the fxps. I'll post that up on Monday after the office bash tonight and the obligatory weekend to sober up. I hope to fuck it gets stickied in font size 40 neon text so these types of threads will just disappear but who the hell am I kidding...

seems sweeet

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Originally posted by Derivative This thread is an abomination along the lines of the magic preset that makes the shit tune great. It doesn't work like that. Perhaps you should consider using your £1400 Virus TI? More specifically, not dismissing it for being a shit preset factory (which it is) and start programming your own sounds (which it is good at). It really beggers belief that anyone could have the gear that you have and yet have so few ideas about how to use it. If you are relying on presets, stop it and start programming. You will suck at first but you get better and you will eventually get good at it and have control over every aspect of the sound that comes from it. If you think that 10s of thousands of bucks worth of analogue gear and outboard will suddenly make your average tunes sound great, you need to wake up and stop fooling yourself that gear makes great music. You use your gear to make music and plenty of people, like Whitetown have proven you can make great music on free software and a 30 dollar microphone (no.1 album in the UK charts no less). You need to stop fooling yourself that theres some magical process or preset that will suddenly make you a 'pro' and start taking the iniative and do the learning yourself. Do not get it into your head that you can just send an average mix off to a mastering studio and then boom! like magic, a pro tune gets sent back to you. Again, it doesn't work like that and mastering never made a mediocre tune particularly good. Finally, you need to stop obsessing over your tracks in comparison to Armins because quite frankly you will never be as good as Armin at being Armin. Armin is the best at being Armin. Krispy Kreme is the best at being Krispy Kreme. You can sort of mimic his tunes for learning purposes but unless you have the exact gear that he has and the knowledge of how to use it that he has, and the people that he knows who can touch it up for you - you will never sound the same. Hate to be so negative but fuck...I'm amazed people still post topics like this in this forum.

you said it all

I've done the impOSCar tutorial but forgot to put it on my memory stick yesterday so its not going up until tommorow lunch time.

Its a walkthrough on how to build 2 sounds - a lead similar to Binary Finary - 1998. And a fucking Supersaw emu. And yes you can do it with only 2 oscillators, without unison. I may or may not upload the fxps. It depends if someone begs for the 'filez.'

If you beg, you can stick it up your arse and work off the screenshots. Lazy bastards.

As for the phase thing - If you have ever used a mastering plugin like Ozone, you have probably already messed about with phase and not realised it. Ozone has a tool in it that functions like a 4 band EQ but allows you to change the stereo separation in each band. If you just run through the presets you will notice many of the patches that utilize this feature because of the way it tends to make the top end of your tracks seem to stand out more. On the presets, its use is indescriminate though.

If you increase phase offset enough you get this weird effect where the sound appears from the extreme left and right channels but theres nothing coming out of the centre channels. On its own it will mess with your head but you can fill that space with traditionally centred instruments like bass drums and basses.

You should get Voxengo Audiodelay because its great for changing stereo width and its free.

One question:
Isn´t it "dangerous" to mess up with phase when it comes to vinyl mastering or playing the song in a club in mono?

cheers,
S-Tune

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true. My advice is create something truely stereo yourself, and steer clear of stereo "widening" effects.

I don't mean pan your hihat left and your ride right, instead, make 2 slightly different hihats, one for left, one for right. And don't trick around it by setting one sample out of phase.

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Originally posted by S-Tune One question: Isn´t it "dangerous" to mess up with phase when it comes to vinyl mastering or playing the song in a club in mono? cheers, S-Tune

Shouldn't be, as long as your kick and bass are centered.