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Originally posted by shaolin_Z True. Hence 'Arabs/Muslims' in the thread title. I guess I could have ommited the word 'racial', since Muslims aren't exactly an ethnicly homogenous group.

Guess when someone in charge figures out that theres about, 280-300,000,000 in SE Asia who are Islamic then theres going to be all kinds of shennanigans... especially since most of them don't like the US either

That's alot of angry brown people !

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Yes, big threat is mostly from Jemaah Islamiyah who where responsible for some rather large bombings in the last 5 years. Theres also the others like Hizb ut-Tahrir who are sort of 'militant' in a sense in that they want a muslim caliphate to establish something of a Islamic super state and advocate jihad to do it.
Theyre big and theyre certainly well connected and supported through the region.

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Originally posted by sterilis are you backward? in airports the security are stopping white families, i.e. a white man, white woman, two little children in other terms white caucasion. how many white suicide bombers have thier been? simple fact is that a suicide bomber is male and of arab origin.

ever heard of Oklahoma City bombing?

oh wait it didn't involve planes... but a big truck I guess that invalidates the notion ... and there was no suicide commited there! They caught the bad guy!

aka all whitie crackies are good guys

Yep..9 zillion terror attacks done by arab males 18-35 over the past 50 years and ONE done by a white guy in Oklahoma. So we can't take any additional security steps against the most likely perps...

I'm afraid the PC attitude by some of you guys is going to get you killed one day.

Look, I have a buzzed head. I just happen to like the hairstyle and have been shaving it for a few years now. Now if SKINHEADS had been responsible for every airplane hijacking in the history of manned flight, and responsible for 99.99% of the suicide bombings and other terror attacks in history, it would be utterly ridiculous for me not to expect some extra security measures taken against me at airports, etc. To think an 80 year old grandma should be randomly pulled out of line in front of me and searched while my "skinhead" brothers and I make it through would be insane, and would actually make me feel quite unsafe on that flight.

I would completely understand those extra precautions taken against my group (baldies age 18-35) and would be much more pissed off at the skinheads that caused me this inconvenience than at the government responding to them.

As long as profiling is limited to things like more extensive searches/background checks...and does not violate basic civil rights (illegal detentions, etc) I have no problem with it. It's a perfectly logical and legitimate way to prevent terrorism.

LOL, 9 zillion? More like a handful.. wait... 9/11, 7/7, and Madrid. That makes three. But even that's debatable. So what's with all the paranoia?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, 9 zillion? More like a handful.. wait... 9/11, 7/7, and Madrid. That makes three. But even that's debatable. So what's with all the paranoia?

actually it's much more then that but I think the biggest issue with the profiling is that it was put in place only because most security check points in airports in the US are so poorly managed.

They are trying to be more "efficient" by going directly to what they view as the potential bad guys.

TSA sucks and even the average McDonald is run better.

Come on Shaolin, for someone as well versed in history as you, I'd expect you to know that hijackings and terrorism have been going on for much longer than the past 5 years. The number of suicide bombings in the middle east is impossible to count...and there have actually been almost 1000 airline hijackings by radicals since the 1940s. Not all of them were muslim of course, but today in particular the threat seems to be coming from radical islam, mainly young arab men willing to die in the name of it. To ignore this fact and to treat this group with the same risk assessment as your average 10 year old is just...well, stupid.

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See...it all balances out. Muslims may get profiled in the US, but they get private bathrooms in Australia.

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Row over washrooms Mary Papadakis January 28, 2007 12:00am A ROW has erupted over Muslim-only washrooms at La Trobe University that can be accessed only with a secret push-button code. Muslim students have exclusive access to male and female washrooms on campus, sparking claims of bias and discrimination. The university and Islamic leaders have defended the washrooms as vital to Muslim students' prayer rituals. A university student, who did not want to be identified, raised the issue with the Sunday Herald Sun this week. Australian Family Council spokesman Bill Muehlenberg said concerns over the exclusive facilities were valid. "Do we have a Christian washroom or an atheist washroom?" he said. "The whole thing is madness." Mr Muehlenberg said the separate facilities were divisive. "If Muslims are saying 'we are good Australians and want to integrate', why are they insisting on separate washrooms?" he said. Victorian Muslim community leader Yasser Soliman said the washrooms were necessary. He said the separate facilities were also due to concerns from non-Muslim students. "Muslims need to wash their feet before prayer and in the past there have been complaints about them washing their feet in sinks, so this is a happy medium," he said. Mr Soliman said most universities provided Muslim-only prayer and washrooms for students. A La Trobe University spokesman said the washrooms were established with the advice of senior Muslim religious leaders. He said the university also had a Christian chapel with a meeting room and four chaplains from major denominations had offices. La Trobe University Christian Union vice-president Richard Thamm backed the washrooms. "It's part of their religion, they need to wash in a special way before they pray," he said.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Yep..9 zillion terror attacks done by arab males 18-35 over the past 50 years and ONE done by a white guy in Oklahoma. So we can't take any additional security steps against the most likely perps... I'm afraid the PC attitude by some of you guys is going to get you killed one day. Look, I have a buzzed head. I just happen to like the hairstyle and have been shaving it for a few years now. Now if SKINHEADS had been responsible for every airplane hijacking in the history of manned flight, and responsible for 99.99% of the suicide bombings and other terror attacks in history, it would be utterly ridiculous for me not to expect some extra security measures taken against me at airports, etc. To think an 80 year old grandma should be randomly pulled out of line in front of me and searched while my "skinhead" brothers and I make it through would be insane, and would actually make me feel quite unsafe on that flight. I would completely understand those extra precautions taken against my group (baldies age 18-35) and would be much more pissed off at the skinheads that caused me this inconvenience than at the government responding to them. As long as profiling is limited to things like more extensive searches/background checks...and does not violate basic civil rights (illegal detentions, etc) I have no problem with it. It's a perfectly logical and legitimate way to prevent terrorism.

great post.

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ONE done by white guys my fucking ass. Before all this brainwashing that is currently going on it was the white guys who everyone expected to blow shit up. Not just because of ONE either, but then again I can sympathize with stupid people as I guess not everyone knows how to count or use their memory.

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I think those coming from regions where there is radical islam, should be looked at more closely when they are traveling in and out of the country, especially if they are going to the middle east..

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