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Scientific Fact 78 67.24%
Theory 22 18.97%
I dont care, we will die before it affects us anyway! 16 13.79%
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_EuG_
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This video makes an attemp to prove that global warming is not related to any human activity, and its more of a political movement then an envoirnmental problem

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I came across this, but didnt watch it yet, I thought some that care about the issue might wanna see a different side of the story.

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Jem_hadar
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quote:
Originally posted by _EuG_
This video makes an attemp to prove that global warming is not related to any human activity, and its more of a political movement then an envoirnmental problem

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I came across this, but didnt watch it yet, I thought some that care about the issue might wanna see a different side of the story.


THANK YOU.

I am looing forward to watching this.

I agree with there being a political prescence to the 'global warming' trend that is so popular these days.


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_EuG_
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Registered: Jun 2006
Location: toronto

quote:
Originally posted by Jem_hadar
THANK YOU.

I am looing forward to watching this.

I agree with there being a political prescence to the 'global warming' trend that is so popular these days.


I am watching it now.. and they make good points. But you realy dont know who to believe. For all you know this film is financed by all the corporations who others say are the problem . I guess we will never know the "truth".

What the video is saying is that CO2 and tempreture are related like they say in "the inconvinent truth" (TIT). But the relationship is the opposite. So the real data shows that first temp goes up and then CO2 goes up a few centuries later, meaning that weather affects how much C02 is in the atmosphere and not the other way around (like they said in "TIT")

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DarkAngel
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quote:
Originally posted by _EuG_
I dont know much about Globalwarming, but i read some news paper articles that say its a scientific fact and others just say its a theory that has no solid evidence to back it up.

What does TOTA think ???



I think it's a load of shit.

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Tunnel Rat
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Location: Ottawa via Toronto via Charlottetown

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar
I agree with there being a political prescence to the 'global warming' trend that is so popular these days.


This has nothing to do with popularity.

Society has made it a priority. I'll admit, the media has made it an agenda to focus on all of the studies/information/"expert opinions" being released lately, and most of society only listens to what the TV tells them - so you could say it's a forcefed hot topic now. But this is one of the few instances that I do applaud the media for over-publisizing something.

The fact that a greater percentage of the world's population is now industrialized - with the economic growth in China and India - should be a red flag for everyone. I am not against capitalism/industrialization, but until it becomes a cleaner, more humanized process; the environment is going to have to adapt....and not in our favor.

And in terms of politicians driving this process...hardly. This is one of the first issues in a long time that the general public has actually taken almost a passion to making it be clearly known to their political representation. Are politicians jumping on the bandwagon for votes? Yes. Are they the ones who started to make this a hot topic? No. They've just been forced to make it an important politican issue since the voters now have global warming at the top of mind.

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Silky Johnson
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Did you guys know that other than humans, beavers alter the environment around them more than any other creature on Earth? True story, I saw it on t.v. last night.

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Al
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Did you guys know that other than humans, beavers alter the environment around them more than any other creature on Earth? True story, I saw it on t.v. last night.


I heard about that too, and also how cows emit too much methane that's not good for the environment.
http://news.independent.co.uk/envir...icle2062484.ece

and let's not forget about pigs as their excrements are so acidic that can kill grass (or green life) like there's no tomorrow.

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Tunnel Rat
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Originally posted by jeeper_095
I heard about that too, and also how cows emit too much methane that's not good for the environment.
http://news.independent.co.uk/envir...icle2062484.ece

and let's not forget about pigs as their excrements are so acidic that can kill grass (or green life) like there's no tomorrow.


I lived on a farm during my childhood and I laugh everytime someone quotes this study (no offense). So what cows/pigs fart. So do humans and I know from personal experience - alot more. Yeah, cows/pigs are way bigger, but the shit we put in our mouths is way more methane causing than cow/pig-feed. It is bizarre that research money is spent on the trivial things like volume of methane from pig flatulance - and how this study is relevant to global warming is puzzling??? If we can't be sure we cause it, why can we point our fingers at pigs?

Sorry for the rant, it is just amazing that some people are still in denial. It was mentioned previously that being "environmental" is now trendy. I would counter by saying being a sceptic of the whole matter is equally popular.

There's a prominent dis-believing scientist doing an interview on CNN tomorrow morning. Should be interesting.....

(Another large scale study was released today and it was of massive in scope referencing decades of data, and it contained nothing but info to show global warming is happening. I think it was done by the U.N.)

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Orko
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Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Global warming? Look at the numbers

Lorne Gunter, National Post
Published: Monday, August 13, 2007

In his enviro-propaganda flick, An Inconvenient Truth, Al Gore claims nine of the 10 hottest years on record have occurred in the last decade. That's been a common refrain for environmentalists, too, and one of the centrepieces of global warming hysteria: It's been really hot lately -- abnormally hot -- so we all need to be afraid, very afraid. The trouble is, it's no longer true.

Last week, NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies -- whose temperature records are a key component of the global-warming claim (and whose director, James Hansen, is a sort of godfather of global-warming alarmism) -- quietly corrected an error in its data set that had made recent temperatures seem warmer than they really were.

A little less than a decade ago, the U.S. government changed the way it recorded temperatures. No one thought to correlate the new temperatures with the old ones, though -- no one until Canadian researcher Steve McIntyre, that is.

McIntyre has become the bane of many warmers' religious-like belief in climate catastrophe. In 2003, along with economist Ross McKitrick, McIntyre demolished the Mann "hockey stick" --a graph that showed stable temperatures for 1,000 years, then shooting up dangerously in the last half of the 20th Century.

The graph was used prominently by the UN and nearly every major eco lobby. But McIntyre and McKitrick demonstrated it was based on incomplete and inaccurate data.

To NASA's credit, when McIntyre pointed out their temperature errors they quickly made corrections.

Still, the pro-warmers who dominate the Goddard Institute almost certainly recognized the impacts these changes would have on the global-warming debate, because they made no formal announcement of their recalculations.

In many cases, the changes are statistically minor, but their potential impact on the rhetoric surrounding global warming is huge.

The hottest year since 1880 becomes 1934 instead of 1998, which is now just second; 1921 is third.

Four of the 10 hottest years were in the 1930s, only three in the past decade. Claiming that man-made carbon dioxide has caused the natural disasters of recent years makes as much sense as claiming fossil-fuel burning caused the Great Depression.

The 15 hottest years since 1880 are spread over seven decades. Eight occurred before atmospheric carbon dioxide began its recent rise; seven occurred afterwards.

In other words, there is no discernible trend, no obvious warming of late.

Ever since the correction became a hot topic on blogs, the pro-warmers have tried to downplay its significance, insisting, for example, that the alterations merely amount to "very minor rearrangements in the various rankings."

It's true the changes aren't dramatic. But the optics are.

Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. Imagine the shrieking of the warmers if we had previously thought that hot years were scattered throughout the past 130 years, but after a correction the warmest years could be seen to be concentrated in the past decade.

They would insist the revised data proved their case. They would blitz every news organization and talk show. They would demand to be allowed to indoctrinate school children on the evils of cars and factories.

So they shouldn't be permitted to brush aside this new data, which makes their claims harder to prove.

Ten years ago, warmers found a similarly small error in the temperature data collected by weather satellites. The satellites were a thorn in their sides because while the warmers were insisting the Earth was getting hotter, the satellites showed it was in fact cooling ever so slightly.

Then the warmers discovered that the scientists who maintained the orbiting thermometers had failed to account for orbital decay, the almost infinitesimally small downward drift of the "birds" every year.

When the effects of drift were added into the observations, the cooling was found to be just 0.01 degree per decade rather than the 0.04 degrees previously claimed.

On this basis, the warmers now insisted then that even the satellites were somehow in agreement with their theory.

Of course, the current NASA changes are only for data collected in the United States. But available surface temperature readings cover only half the planet even today. Before the Second World War, they covered less than a quarter. So U.S. readings for a period that goes as far back as 1880 are among the most reliable there are.

Perhaps we will have uncontrollable warming in the future, but it likely hasn't started yet.

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Not saying this is conclusive proof that man made global warming is not real, just that we need to be more careful about the data we are looking at.

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Silky Johnson
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LOL, nice bump.

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Orko
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Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by jeeper_095
I heard about that too, and also how cows emit too much methane that's not good for the environment.
http://news.independent.co.uk/envir...icle2062484.ece

and let's not forget about pigs as their excrements are so acidic that can kill grass (or green life) like there's no tomorrow.


It's not methane thats the concern, its CO2. Farming live stock for the purpose of eating creates more CO2 than all of the cars on the planet combined. If you really want to help the environment, just cut back on the amount of meat you eat. On average, farming veggies only takes about 10% of the energy it takes to farm meat.

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exraver
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Come on people, in 8 pages nobody mentioned Y2K?
Some of you should remember it?
Corporations made tons of money, nothing happened, now everybody is freaking out about next big thing.
Millions are zombies, corporations will make tons of money and 10 years later nobody would remember, just like now Y2K.
Wake up!


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