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Originally posted by Omega_M Now my question is, in what way have the religious laws been formulated, what purpose do they serve and in what way, may we see observe/prove their working ?

That's hard to answer. The greatest set of laws, which is obviously the 10 commandments, aren't original, The one ingenious thing is that Moses used the fear of god as a deterrent. Stealing isn't a big deal if you just receive jail time, but stealing is a huge deal when you go to hell because you broke a commandment. It's a great deterrent.

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Eh, quite a few scholars say that the early Jews did not even believe in "hell," or at least not anything like the Christian idea of it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Eh, quite a few scholars say that the early Jews did not even believe in "hell," or at least not anything like the Christian idea of it.

Uh, technically... there is no such thing as hell in the Jewish religion, past or present.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Eh, quite a few scholars say that the early Jews did not even believe in "hell,"

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or at least not anything like the Christian idea of it.

Well those are two completely different statements altogether.

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Originally posted by Vlad Uh, technically... there is no such thing as hell in the Jewish religion, past or present.

Are you Jewish? Isn't there some sort of purity process the soul goes through before entering the afterlife? Sorry, I'm not too familiar with Jewish beliefs.

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Some jewish studies to disaprove of the foundation of christian faith.

If you dont study religion, then its hard to have a conversation about it.

I find this all pretty sketchy anyways.. DNA testing mmmm and whats the reson behind Cameron Diaz to do this film?!?! foundation or experience based on what ?!?!.... its believed that there's absolutely no evidence or remains of Jesus.. this was what how many thousands of years ago already. The only way to get some type of evidence its by obtaining the age of a fossil through carbon-dating... everything else ( DNA ? ) 2000 yrs ago?!?! .. mmmm lol

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Originally posted by Vlad Uh, technically... there is no such thing as hell in the Jewish religion, past or present.

Yeah. There was the "underworld" thing mentioned in OT, but that is not really the same thing.

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Originally posted by Vlad Uh, technically... there is no such thing as hell in the Jewish religion, past or present.

There's no such thing as hell, its more like a state of conscience type of suffering...

I can go back to the Old Testament and find verbs announcing the coming of Jesus and all the signs that Jesus was the one.. some saw the sign some didn't, and after that its where everything just gets divided... basically, way to intepret the bible. The bible its for the wise man, a lot of the words have a different meaning.. going back to the hell idea, its a conscious suffereing of some kind, hence suffering deeply - reflecting the term "hell"

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The mere existance of Christianity is complete bullshit. First off, if Christians were to believe in the ideas of Jesus, than Christians would have to abide by the Torah. No matter how 'holy' Jesus was supposed to be, Jesus still prayed to a god (which disapproves the idea that 'Jesus is thy Lord and savior'), and he abided by the Torah and all its laws.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

The existence of this debate is bullshit.

No one wins.

Doesn't matter what evidence you bring to the table from either side, it won't make a difference if the other person believes in something else.

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Originally posted by Vlad The mere existance of Christianity is complete bullshit. First off, if Christians were to believe in the ideas of Jesus, than Christians would have to abide by the Torah. No matter how 'holy' Jesus was supposed to be, Jesus still prayed to a god (which disapproves the idea that 'Jesus is thy Lord and savior'), and he abided by the Torah and all its laws.

He had a different interpretation of the Jewish laws, and constantly "corrected" the Pharacies (Which is why he was crucified, coincidentally). He also had many different ideas such as "Love your enemy" and also promoted non-violence, which the Torah does not do.

Christians follow Christ (They should, but don't. They follow the establishment of religion unfortunately) because he was a visionary, filled with fresh ideas that made sense to them. To say that it's "Bullshit" is just not true.

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Originally posted by jupiterone The existence of this debate is bullshit. No one wins. Doesn't matter what evidence you bring to the table from either side, it won't make a difference if the other person believes in something else.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers He also had many different ideas such as "Love your enemy" and also promoted non-violence, which the Torah does not do.

"Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord." (Lev. 19: 17-18)

But then there are, of course, lots of bits about stoning to death adulterers and disobedient children and people who work on the Sabbath and all those other things that the Lord wanted people killed for doing.