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Originally posted by unchancellor538 Because if he was the only true christian then the ones who founded the churches in his name, catholic, protestant, or otherwise would not be true christians. Thats how I read it at least.

Just saying that atrocities committed in the attempt to emulate arent reflections of the object of emulation and that honest attempts at emulation (in this case Christ) would rarely end in such.

Christs first and greatest command was love God and his second was love thy neighbor. Everything else is there more for a deepening of the communion...etc..

So the point I was making was that you can try to love God and your neighbor your entire life but at one point you wont and that means you arent Christ.

Christian is a "little" Christ. means youre tryin

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Originally posted by unchancellor538 No, but a systematic re-education of people over time would help eliminate this now un-needed hindrance. You could achieve this in one or two generations.

why dont we systematically re-educate them (whatever that entails) starting now?

Religion has it's uses, specially amongst lower SES people that need comfort and a sense of security amongst all the stress and chaos in their life. I do believe that religions have outlived in many places there use and as evidence of such there is little religiosity in many places around the world. None of those places are worse off than more religious places. In so far that it is not used for negative purposes, religions serve as a structure of support for people that need it. Nothing more, nothing else. That's how I see it.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by Orbax why dont we systematically re-educate them (whatever that entails) starting now?

Why do you think? The US, for better or worse has the most-sway in this world and even far-left liberals in the government still go to church every Sunday.

Communism had the right ideas, they just were greedy.

Combine communisms social enviroment (aka how man should exist within his world) with capitalisms ability to be selfish and self-fullfiling and you have the begining of a wonderful new dawn.

This is just kind of the same old arguments with a dash of youthful marxist utopianism. Im just going to drop it because no new ground is being broken here.

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Originally posted by Orbax This is just kind of the same old arguments with a dash of youthful marxist utopianism. Im just going to drop it because no new ground is being broken here.

I still want you to answer my question though . I really want to know what you think the church can uniquely contribute to society.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by winnowingfan51 I'm with Orbax and BTG on this one, but lets not forget the real problem in the middle east. Zionist Jews. Nuke the Arabs, Persians and the assorted zionists and you take care of a whole mess of problems. It will also show the radical Christian right that low and behold, its not some holy land that blah blah blah has to happen to for Jesus to come to earth again and all that hoobajooba. Its just a shitty desert that happens to have oil.

since when does Isreal have oil?

what's the best way to fart in a pool with anyone knowing?

on a forum level the message would get diluted and nit picked by people not really interested in the message. Ill write up a short response and PM you if you are truly interested.

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Originally posted by Orbax on a forum level the message would get diluted and nit picked by people not really interested in the message. Ill write up a short response and PM you if you are truly interested.

Sure, if it's not much of a hassle. Since you're more knowledgeable than most religious people I know I want to hear what you have to say.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by jdat since when does Isreal have oil?

I was speaking about the middle east in general.

Israel happens to sit on the only bit of land in the area that is absolutely worthless. How fitting.