MisterOpus1,

You are a joke In your book you have to be a popular president and take the polls seriously to know you have been doing the right thing as president

I love these useless polls! As I said buddy sometimes our leaders must take unpopular decisions. You are the type of American that liked how clinton operated... he went to the Washington Post and put polls up to know what Americans wanted and then he proceeded to do w.e the results he got A JOKE! And you know he did this MANY times...

Moving on... no buddy I am not a rep nor a dem nor an independent etc... I am an American but at this time leaning more to the Rep side, wtf ever happened to men like Lincoln and Roosevelt? Dude if your party had a well suited candidate that dosent talk shit all day and that dosent focuse at w.e the polls says just to use the results to his advantage to get to the presidency, ill def vote for him until now all they do is talk and talk and echo what the polls say and bitch about the spending, money to them that can be used to save the fish and the penguins in Alaska, money that can be used to to promote more welfare among americans. If thats your answer for all those problems, go ahead and get down for them every time they come by your town to tell you what you want to hear.

You know what? I have come to stage that I feel stupid talking to you.. and oh buddy

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 So's your grammar.

Fixed!

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

Hey Shaolin, I think our argument just got smuthered by MisterOpus1 and LatinLover.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson got smuthered by MisterOpus1 and LatinLover.

sounds hot!

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Hey Shaolin, I think our argument just got smuthered by MisterOpus1 and LatinLover. quote: Originally posted by Q5echo sounds hot!

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Originally posted by LatinLover MisterOpus1, You are a joke In your book you have to be a popular president and take the polls seriously to know you have been doing the right thing as president

LatinLover,

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They are fun!

Let me try!:

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All this time I didn't realize how much fun I had been missing from using Haha faces! Alright!!!

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I love these useless polls!

Raise your hands, folks, if you weren't about to see the polls being dismissed line?

Anyone?

Hmmm, guess that majority sentiment thingy really doesn't suit you well, does it?

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As I said buddy sometimes our leaders must take unpopular decisions.

How about making simple logical ones?

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You are the type of American that liked how clinton operated... he went to the Washington Post and put polls up to know what Americans wanted and then he proceeded to do w.e the results he got A JOKE! And you know he did this MANY times...

How Clinton operated with polls is, wait, what was your point again?

I'm really having a hard time trying to follow you here. I post polls that demonstrated that my sentiments are in line with the majority of the public.

Are you actually going to address that at all?

I also posted a poll that demonstrated how terribly "unpopular" President Clinton was, especially in comparison to the President we have in office today.

And your refutation is that Clinton used polls to drive his agenda? Huh?

Please tell me how that addressed anything I said. Be specific.

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Moving on... no buddy I am not a rep nor a dem nor an independent etc... I am an American but at this time leaning more to the Rep side, wtf ever happened to men like Lincoln and Roosevelt?

What indeed. Amazing how we both share the same sentiments, especially how things have been run over the past 6 years, don't cha think?

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Dude if your party had a well suited candidate that dosent talk shit all day and that dosent focuse at w.e the polls says just to use the results to his advantage to get to the presidency, ill def vote for him until now all they do is talk and talk and echo what the polls say and bitch about the spending, money to them that can be used to save the fish and the penguins in Alaska, money that can be used to to promote more welfare among americans. If thats your answer for all those problems, go ahead and get down for them every time they come by your town to tell you what you want to hear. You know what? I have come to stage that I feel stupid talking to you.. and oh buddy

Well gosh, that's sure sad. I suppose one day you'll actually address some of the points I made rather than give me empty unsupported rhetoric about how horrible one party is versus the wonderful other party. Suppose, just suppose if you decide to actually have a debate with me, that you'll bring your issues of contention WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE to back you up? Because thus far, you have done nothing but shoot down Clinton (which strangely, last I checked he isn't running for President, but I've defended his record WITHOUT any supporting counterevidence from you), and accuse me of having extremist views by categorizing me with Michael Moore.

Now, if you want to discuss philosophically WHY I feel the way I do about my stances and how they may or may not be in line with current candidates, I'm more than willing to go that route. However that was NOT what you directed towards me earlier. Rather, you were attempting to generalize my viewpoints as extremist, to which I demonstrated how my views were anything but extremist (unless you consider the majority American sentiment "extremist", but then again you discount polls altogether, right?). So please stop with the bait and switch routine in your argument and debate in good faith (and be a bit more logically consistent while you're at it).

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Fixed!

That's a start.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you mean all those two? this "do nothing Congress" managed to pass all of two Bills in their first 100 days. H.J.Res.20 - Revised Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2007 (02/15/07) NATO Freedom Consolidation Act of 2007 (04/10/07) whoopty frikken doooo!!!!!!!!

First of all, my mistake - not 100 days but 100 hours.

With that said, the "do nothing Congress" has a wee bit of trouble passing bills that Bush is likely going to veto, such as the stem cell bill (Bush vetoed it once already, his ONLY veto ever), the 9/11 Commission recommendations (Bush does not follow these nor will he ever, thus despite both House and Senate passing this will likely get vetoed by Bush), negotiating lower drug prices for Medicare patients (despite Bush's rhetoric about free-markets, this is a slap in the face on that idea and will likely face his veto), and the reversal of oil and gas royalties which in essence is nothing but corporate welfare to which Bush would likely veto hands down. The only other one that's being negotiated that will likely go through is the minimum wage hike, and that was only after the Senate attached on tax breaks for smaller businesses.

The other bill passed by the House such as the federal subsidized loan interest rate reduction is still being negotiated by the Senate, to which I have no idea where Bush would stand on that.

Now this is the context to which these bills need to be understood. The House in its first 100 hours did exactly what I mentioned by passing bills that the majority of the people support. Granted, some of those bills get caught up in the Senate and Committees after passing the Senate as I pointed out, but there are bills that are not so popular with Bush that will likely receive his veto. That is not to say, however, that bills worthy of the majority American sentiment went nowhere - so again, how on earth could that fault lie on the Democratic Congress when they are/will receive a veto by the unpopular president with a minority opinion on these issues?

And let's also not forget one small little thing that's completely and willfully escaped the GOP Congress over the past six years, something that was painfully needed..........

......oversight.......

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Originally posted by Q5echo Lewinski aside, he reflexively launched a couple hundred cruise missles into two different countries on "questionable" intel after the Embassy bombings and proved to be a complete disaster.

Hmmm, that must be why Gingrich claimed Clinton did the right thing by bombing those sites.

You know, one of our dear friend's presidential candidate favorites?

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he left the U.S.S. Cole high and dry b/c he was near term. gotta love that guy.

The U.S.S. Cole bombing was on October 12th, 2000.

Now you do remember WHEN we finally learned with definitely who was behind the bombing, right? According to the 9/11 Commission Report, the CIA had preliminary findings that al Qaeda was behind the attack on Dec. 21st, 2000. However, those findings were made with no "definitive conclusion":

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff...statement_8.pdf

So guess who became President when things became "definitive"? (Hint: it wasn't Clinton).

I'm sorry, you were saying something about leaving the USS Cole high and dry?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Hey Shaolin, I think our argument just got smuthered by MisterOpus1 and LatinLover.

Nah, I'm just taking time to reply since I got sick of repeating myself and going in circles. I didn't even know about Ron Paul's stance on the issues you're concerned about until you brought it up, which is why I was somewhat (nuetral tone) irritated when you posted questioning my "motives?" Shouldn't it be rather obvious from my posts? I'll spell it out in case you missed it somehow:

1. The end of the preemptive war policy and fradulent war on terror.
   
2. Roll back tyrannical and totally unconstituional legislation, the Partriot Act, Military Commisions Act, and Detainee Bills particularly.
   
3. Possibly (and hopefully) abolish the Federal Resrerve and IRS.
   
4. Stop expansion of the executive bransh which by now literally has dictorial powers.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Nah, I'm just taking time to reply since I got sick of repeating myself and going in circles.

Yeah tell me about it. Maybe I need to learn your Arabic language so you can better understand me.

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I didn't even know about Ron Paul's stance on the issues you're concerned about until you brought it up, which is why I was somewhat (nuetral tone) irritated when you posted questioning my "motives?" Shouldn't it be rather obvious from my posts?

Rather obvious from you posts? Not really. You went on so many tangents and still haven't answered my questions. But if you say you are neutral, I guess I have no choice but to just drop the subject, except with the less-than-nautral tone you gave throughout your posts, such as calling my issues stupid and trivial. Fyi, that's not a nautral tone, that makes you smell like a slut-crusted total-un-neutral bitch.

Buuuuuuut I understand my tone was harsh to begin with and I apologize for that.

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I'll spell it out in case you missed it somehow: The end of the preemptive war policy and fradulent war on terror. Roll back tyrannical and totally unconstituional legislation, the Partriot Act, Military Commisions Act, and Detainee Bills particularly. Possibly (and hopefully) abolish the Federal Resrerve and IRS. Stop expansion of the executive bransh which by now literally has dictorial powers.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

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I might get to your specific questions later.

Really? They're simple Yes/No questions. Or do you not like the questions because they are direct and you can't run around them with passive talk and tangents? Common, answer the questions. I wanna know how much of a bigot you really are.

I'll post them again for you:

1. Overall, do you support what Ron Paul did (refer to ALL 5 of my points on page 1 or page 7)? If you support some but not all of what he did, please explain WHY.

3. Do you think that gay people are entitled to every equal right that you as a heterosexual Muslim have?

3a. Do you think gay people should have the right to get married? If not, do you think they are entitled to an alternative, but equal status (i.e. civil unions)?

3b. Do you think that gay people should be allowed to serve openly gay in the military.

3c. Do you think that on top of gender, creed, race, ethnicity (and others I'm forgetting), the gov't should add "sexual orientation" to the list of what NOT to discriminate against in the work place?

3d. If someone is physically attacked based solely on the fact that they are gay, do you consider it a hate crime? If not, do you consider any attack based on race/ethnity a hate crime?

3e. Do you think people should be denied the right to adopt based on their sexual orientation?

4. If I were to have my way and gay people would magically be granted all equal rights, would we be arguing in this thread?

5. (Open question, you don't have to answer yes-no-other here)
Whose fault do you think it is that gay people don't have equal rights? Gay people (like me)? Republicans (like Ron Paul)? Or other?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson 1. Overall, do you support what Ron Paul did (refer to ALL 5 of my points on page 1 or page 7)? If you support some but not all of what he did, please explain WHY.

Can I answer these questions as well? Well here it goes.

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3. Do you think that gay people are entitled to every equal right that you as a heterosexual Muslim have?

That's the thing. Even being a straight Muslim male you still have the same rights as a white man. And no I think gays shouldn't have equal rights.

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3a. Do you think gay people should have the right to get married? If not, do you think they are entitled to an alternative, but equal status (i.e. civil unions)?

Sure they can get married but not in Churches

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3b. Do you think that gay people should be allowed to serve openly gay in the military.

No, b/c the people in the military are normally conservative extremists or minorities who have no other option.

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3c. Do you think that on top of gender, creed, race, ethnicity (and others I'm forgetting), the gov't should add "sexual orientation" to the list of what NOT to discriminate against in the work place?

Why? What's a homo doing outside of the closet in the first place?

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3d. If someone is physically attacked based solely on the fact that they are gay, do you consider it a hate crime? If not, do you consider any attack based on race/ethnity a hate crime?

Yes, it's a hate crime.

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3e. Do you think people should be denied the right to adopt based on their sexual orientation?

No, I am all for them adopting.

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4. If I were to have my way and gay people would magically be granted all equal rights, would we be arguing in this thread?

Yes, it's the internet. People who would normally keep their mouths shut in real live would be spilling the way they feel safely behind their screens.

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5. (Open question, you don't have to answer yes-no-other here) Whose fault do you think it is that gay people don't have equal rights? Gay people (like me)? Republicans (like Ron Paul)? Or other?

I think it's your fault.

You will never have the same rights as blacks do until you make a movement demanding to be equal. Gays have a lot of spending power more than the minorities(separtely) do. So stop buying and see how businesses start to hurt and watch them support you so that you guys now start buying their products.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 the 9/11 Commission recommendations (Bush does not follow these nor will he ever, thus despite both House and Senate passing this will likely get vetoed by Bush)

sweeping generalization. he's adopted some recomendations and has opted out of others. none of it was binding even though you think they are or should be. campaigning on the whimzy that the Donks would implement all of the recomendations, they have completely dropped the Congressional reform component of the 9/11 recomendations. why?

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negotiating lower drug prices for Medicare patients (despite Bush's rhetoric about free-markets, this is a slap in the face on that idea and will likely face his veto), and the reversal of oil and gas royalties which in essence is nothing but corporate welfare to which Bush would likely veto hands down.

can you tell me when and if prescription drug legislation has even been voted on?

same goes for Student Loan Interest Rate Legislation, Minimum Wage Hike, Stem Cell Research ect.. all have Bi-partisaned majority support WHERE THE F**K IS IT?

oversight is that important huh? trumps all else huh?
oversight, it's a charade. the Donks have put all their chips on a charade. to put the criminalization of politics in the hands of Henry Waxman and Chuck Shumer above the not only the needs of the American public but their campaign promises as well.

this is one of the most feckless majorities in the history of modern American politics.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hmmm, that must be why Gingrich claimed Clinton did the right thing by bombing those sites.

don't care too much what the Speaker said years ago really. bottom line is he acted like any Executive has historically or presently for that matter. can he be faulted? of course.

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