so you mean that as long as the settlers are peaceful they should be allowed to live there?
FROM WHICH PLANET ARE YOU?!
For god sake they have stolen land. Those landstealersa and thieves can not be allowed. Friendly or nonfriendly. A thief is a thief. Stealing land can not be accepted.

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Umm.. for 2000-4000 years ago Iran had all of Asia in its hand.. because of historical value we want it back, all of asia belongs to us

Kurosh the great gave us the land.. And we had Israel even before the Jews because while Moses was going to Israel, Kurosh wrote a law that said that all persian people must help the jews to come to peace and get their land.

LOL!! Israel is a very funny country... God gave us this land, what kind of shit is that?

And please.. Ariel Sharon can literally go FUCK HIMSELF and so can Yasser Arafat... and for that moron that said that the orthodox jews dont insult

Umm.. what the fuck are you talking about?

How about that orthodox jew leader, that came to the government said: the arabic people in israel is like cancer cells that needs to be removed...

please.. Israel, you got just as much blood and dirt on your hands as the palestinians.. you drive your terrorism in another way, palestinians drive their terrorism in obvious ways, Israel do it sneaky ways.

so if you ever want peace, get those fuck faces sharon and arafat out of there, forget everything that was and start over again.. please.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 For god sake they have stolen land. Those landstealersa and thieves can not be allowed. Friendly or nonfriendly. A thief is a thief. Stealing land can not be accepted.

man did you even read what yoepus was writting?

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Originally posted by yoepus First of all, the land is not the Palestinian's either. Israel won it in a war, the land is indeed disputed between both sides and therefore is not recongized to either until a binding agreement is reached.

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Originally posted by yoepus Now, third the UN resolutions says nothing about who's land is who's.

furthermore to prove you more wrong, here's a quote from the UN resalution 242, which the palestinians seem to like so much for some strage reason.

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UN resolustion 242 "[The resolution] allows Israel to administer the territories won in the 1967 "six day war" until 'a just and lasting peace ine the Middle East' is achieved

also neither the Decloration of Principles of september 13, 1993 (oslo accords) nor the Internim Agreement contains any provisions prohibiting or restricting the establishment or expansion of Jewish communities in the West Bank or Gaza Strip

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Originally posted by RebeL9 so you mean that as long as the settlers are peaceful they should be allowed to live there? FROM WHICH PLANET ARE YOU?!

YES! why not? there are palestinians living in israel, no one has asked them to move. if a plan such as the one giving at camp david called for giving 97% of the land to a palestinian country why cant they have jewish settlements there. is there anything in this world that is not allowing you to move to norway and settle down and build a house? No, didnt think so, you just have to get the right political assurances (visas, citizenships). btw which planet do you hail from?

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Originally posted by Proximus Umm.. for 2000-4000 years ago Iran had all of Asia in its hand.. because of historical value we want it back, all of asia belongs to us

Although many Jews claim all the land of Israel, and indeed it has may religious implications, the Jews got the land for one simple reason... The World gave it to them! By the world, I mean the UN who was left to decide the fate of the land, after the British abandoned it (failing to keep up promises to both Arabs and Jews). All but the religious realize they have Israel because the British got it from the Turks, who got it from... and gave it to the Jews for self-determination.

Now the territories of the west bank and gaza were won in 1967, in a pre-emptive stirke... and Israel's occupation of these lands is legitimate (read the UN quote from Izzy above).

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and for that moron that said that the orthodox jews dont insult

Firstly, I'm not a moron, you just can't read.
I did not say they do not insult, I said they do not go blow themsleves up to kill innocent palestinians, and that is the moral difference that does not make them like Hamas.

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so if you ever want peace, get those fuck faces sharon and arafat out of there, forget everything that was and start over again.. please.

I agree with you, Arafat has to be removed. I hope Sharon will do it, as you guys already hate him so much.. if he doesn't another Israeli leader will have to, and then he will be branded the same persona from the Arab world as Sharon.

Starting over again is a good idea.. the means a 50-50 compromise is the starting point, not 97-3.

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Here is the deal..

As long as Palestinians continue on doing suicide bombings, they will NEVER EVER EVER get any land back.

Why ? Because it would set a precedent! Then any terrorist organization would perform 1000 terrorist acts, and governments would just give them what they want.

What if all of a sudden Native Indians started performing terrorist acts in US and demand all of America back? Do you think they would get anything? Didn't think so!

What choice does Sharon have??? He has two choices - Give Palestinians what they want(that is give terrorists what they want), or destroy terrorists.

Sharon could also go on a compromise, give Palestinians something back. But do you REALLY think Palestines will be satisfied with that?? Do you REALLY think so? 10 years down the road the same story will be repeated. Palestinians will want back MORE and MORE.


The moral of the story is: If Palestines want something, they have to learn to do negotiations! No suicide bombs, no threats. Just negotiations.

Israel doesn't want to kill all palestines ! If they did they would've done so LONG LONG time ago. Now I can't say the same about Palestinians. I lived in Israel for 4 years(I live in Canada). I wasn't born in Israel though, so I can pretty much speak objectively. Well, I never heard anybody in Israel say "All palestines must die". However it looks as if such attituted exist all over the place in Palestine.

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seems like the jews have forgotten their history very quickly. yesterday they were killed and harassed by the nazis and now they kill and harass palestinians in the same way.
where is the moral and the understanding?
i am very dissapointed on the israelis.
and this crisis will definetly never end.
there is too much to loose on both sides.

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Originally posted by Proximus Umm.. for 2000-4000 years ago Iran had all of Asia in its hand.. because of historical value we want it back, all of asia belongs to us Kurosh the great gave us the land.. And we had Israel even before the Jews because while Moses was going to Israel, Kurosh wrote a law that said that all persian people must help the jews to come to peace and get their land. LOL!! Israel is a very funny country... God gave us this land, what kind of shit is that? And please.. Ariel Sharon can literally go FUCK HIMSELF and so can Yasser Arafat... and for that moron that said that the orthodox jews dont insult Umm.. what the fuck are you talking about? How about that orthodox jew leader, that came to the government said: the arabic people in israel is like cancer cells that needs to be removed... please.. Israel, you got just as much blood and dirt on your hands as the palestinians.. you drive your terrorism in another way, palestinians drive their terrorism in obvious ways, Israel do it sneaky ways. so if you ever want peace, get those fuck faces sharon and arafat out of there, forget everything that was and start over again.. please.

Hey, while you're at it, give Poland some of it's land back, that was taken away as recently as WW2

Oh, God gave us this land, therefore it's ours? Politics and religion should NEVER come together...just look at whats happening. I don't get it...since when does a religion get its own country? I'm catholic...give me a country...how about Bethlehem and surrounding lands...since thats where my Lord was born. Jeez...this Israel/Palestine thing is just fucked...I say US should just nuke it, and problem solved...for a few days...hehe. j/k about that nuke thing, but I'm sick and tired of seeing this happening. Why the fuck can't they reach some stupid agreement, just to stop all these massacre's? (show's how much both leaders really care about their people)

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Originally posted by RebeL9 seems like the jews have forgotten their history very quickly. yesterday they were killed and harassed by the nazis and now they kill and harass palestinians in the same way. where is the moral and the understanding? i am very dissapointed on the israelis. and this crisis will definetly never end. there is too much to loose on both sides.

you know what F*CK YOU
guy on here will know i tend to stay as calm as possible and i've written a lot on this subject but what you just said shows me your complete idiocy on this topic!
"kill and harras in the same way"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
show me where and when the israelis have rounded up palestinians and crowded them into stuffed box cars on trains to be sent to a camp where they are gassed to death then cremated? F*CK YOU!
i can not see how you can say its the INTENTION AND ACTION of the jews to kill palestinians in the same way

guys am i not justified for being this pissed off?

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Originally posted by Izzy you know what F*CK YOU guy on here will know i tend to stay as calm as possible and i've written a lot on this subject but what you just said shows me your complete idiocy on this topic! "kill and harras in the same way"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! show me where and when the israelis have rounded up palestinians and crowded them into stuffed box cars on trains to be sent to a camp where they are gassed to death then cremated? F*CK YOU! i can not see how you can say its the INTENTION AND ACTION of the jews to kill palestinians in the same way guys am i not justified for being this pissed off?

well mr Israel. I never cursed you and when you curse me it shows how stupid and lowlife you are. You can't even discuss an issue without cursing? Very childish. Shame of you judas!
I've seen it in the news very often. Israeli soldiers which deny palestinian workers to go to work. That's true harassment.
One reporter filmed when an israeli soldier let 2 jews pass through but refused to let through a pregnant woman which needed to go to the hospital immidiatly.
You don't call that fascism? Well it's the true form of fascism.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 ok jews quit it. haven't you realized it yet?! occupying a land costs both blood and life. Remember when Sovjet occupied Afghanistan. They lost thousands of soliders and 10 years later were forced to leave the country. If the Israelis think they can occupy land and build settlements without any reaction from the palestinian side then they got shit in their brains. just the fact that the Israelis voted for an international warcrime as a prime minister (Sharon) which is by Amnesty International listed as guilty for the death of more than 8000 civilians in Sabra and Shatila shows how much peace the israelis wants (zero). get lost israelis with your filthy sionist propaganda

You're e-tarded mang, to occupy implies that there's a country doing the occupiation. Soviets occupied Afghanistan, Germans occupied most of Europe. Jews as a peoples (no country!!!!) settled in a country occupied by the British who won it from the Turks who inherited it from the Ottomans (kinda same thing but...)who took it over from the Saracens (Persians I guess you used to call 'em) who just plain old stole it from the bedouin that ran the country over after the fall of the Roman Empire which persecuted the Jews out of the land of Canaan who no longer exist. The last occupying force (British) promised part of that land to the small Jewish community living there at the time in the Balfour Declaration, don't remember what year, but it happened after the pogroms in the Russian Pale and the massacres in Poland in the beggining of 20th century, then promised the same land to the folks already living there in order to keep friendly with the Arabs in the coming WWII and get their oil. Then refused to mediate between them and turned the matter over to the UN who decided in favor of separation. But the Palestinians fired up by the Mufti Al Husseini decided that it was either all or nothing and joined an Arab Alliance of 7+ countries to go against about oh rough estimate of 3 million Jewish settlers with no access to outside world. But you know what I'm getting tired of edumacating you fools, know your history, then talk shit. That's like saying that all of western Europe should be in the hands of the Celts/Gauls, and let's kick all the descendants of the Romans and Goths and Germanic tribes outta there. And while we at it let's all return back to the borders of the indegineous people of each particular place. So all Americans let's please start packing and head back to the countries of origin. ah ignorance the true cause of suffering.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I've seen it in the news very often. Israeli soldiers which deny palestinian workers to go to work. That's true harassment. One reporter filmed when an israeli soldier let 2 jews pass through but refused to let through a pregnant woman which needed to go to the hospital immidiatly. You don't call that fascism? Well it's the true form of fascism.

Well, good ole Darwin described this as Survival of the Fittest, you're not the most educated person I see. So I'll break it down to you like this:
1) Nazi attack on Jews in WWII was unprovoked (much like their attack on Poland, Spain and Russia), this is in responce to your earlier blabbering, after all it's not like the Nation of Jews commited open and deliberate acts of destruction and mayhem against the Nation of Nazis
2)If you get a mild electric shock from an electrical outlet and then stick your fingers in there again, you're naturally selected to die and chosen by nature to be unfit for survival. In the same way an IDF soldier that lets a pregnant woman through a checkpoint to find out that later on she bombs a cafe in Tel Aviv (for example), would be an unfit specimen of human being if he does it again. It's called self-preservation.

If you need this simplified and explained further, pm me I'd be glad to school you some more

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