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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur That's only cause our scene is tiny compared to the top40 one. Our scene is not without its problems either - namely the drugs and people ODing. So while packing 40,000 ravers in one area might not result in stabbings and shootings, think of how many ODs and other drug-related crap the police and paramedics would have to deal with.

F*ck - I retract my previous staements.

Violence = bad. I have seen very little violence in EDM venues. Therefore, by comparison (excluding considerations for the size of the crowd)I FEEL people in our scene are GENERALLY better behaved.
Yes, people OD, but the violence and trouble reported from the district on weekends is not USUALLY related to EDM venues.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur That's only cause our scene is tiny compared to the top40 one. Our scene is not without its problems either - namely the drugs and people ODing. So while packing 40,000 ravers in one area might not result in stabbings and shootings, think of how many ODs and other drug-related crap the police and paramedics would have to deal with.

I'd take packing 40,000 ravers in an arena along with paramedics set aside in a certain area anyday over guns and craziness in clubs. Besides, the ratio to someone od'ing and dying in an arena of that size versus a group of people getting shot in a regular type of club is a lot less no? (I could be wrong but I'd still take the larger parties.)


As for the situation here, I agree w Del, extend last call to 3, then to 4 (and eventually get rid of it) so that it evens out those who pound back a billion beers then cause ruckus in the street. Moderation is key...

A friend of mine says that they are also about to privatize the sale of liquor as well. I will look into it but what from what he says they'd make more cash that way through tax and licensing people to sell it (permits etc) rather then have it all in one location, the limits of that are insane. It makes sense to me at least...

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess lol. hardly. ever second thread is either about deadmau5 or circa.

lol. don't come on here often enough to read every second thread. and i have a habit of ignoring most of the ones i see when i do check the boards because 99% are full of crap. Jay's ones however are always interesting.

Oh and i don't read the star and whatever the other one was.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave As for the situation here, I agree w Del, extend last call to 3, then to 4 eventually so that it evens out those who pound back a billion beers then cause ruckus in the street. Moderation is key...

is that really the case though? it'll just make people go out later cuz people hate going to the bar at 10. so youre gonna end up having drunker people coming to the bar (cuz theyre gonna be pre-drinking longer). even if it was pushed that late, I'd still drink @ the same pace cuz if I wanted to be in the bar hammered, I'd still be double fisting

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Originally posted by jchung52 is that really the case though? it'll just make people go out later cuz people hate going to the bar at 10. so youre gonna end up having drunker people coming to the bar (cuz theyre gonna be pre-drinking longer). even if it was pushed that late, I'd still drink @ the same pace cuz if I wanted to be in the bar hammered, I'd still be double fisting

It is the case because people will be pre drinking anyway like you said but if you pre drink like mad there is only so much booze you'd be able to take at the bar after that. (At least most people would tend to slow down after killing their liver beforehand...) I think you'd be the exception, most people drink and double fist at the bar because they have to, the bar closes early and they want to maintain the buzz. More super drunk people at the bar = less drunk people leaving (usually...).

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Originally posted by Endlesswave It is the case because people will be pre drinking anyway like you said but if you pre drink like mad there is only so much booze you'd be able to take at the bar after that. (At least most people would tend to slow down after killing their liver beforehand...) I think you'd be the exception, most people drink and double fist at the bar because they have to, the bar closes early and they want to maintain the buzz.

carlos quadruple fists... one in each pocket, one in each hand hahaha! i keep him in line tho so he's not one of those that cause trouble but you're right.
forget a last call though. why can't they just do like europe? be open all night! it's not a big deal and most people don't end up drinking that much anyways because they don't feel pressure to get in as much as they can before the night is over.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave It is the case because people will be pre drinking anyway like you said but if you pre drink like mad there is only so much booze you'd be able to take at the bar after that. (At least most people would tend to slow down after killing their liver beforehand...) I think you'd be the exception, most people drink and double fist at the bar because they have to, the bar closes early and they want to maintain the buzz. More super drunk people at the bar = less drunk people leaving (usually...).

so then you would have more people @ the bar drunk already, drinking more. would that not cause more problems (puking, fights etc?) and having people leave the bar intoxicated for almost 8 hrs (if pre-drinking started at 8)?

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Originally posted by jchung52 so then you would have more people @ the bar drunk already, drinking more. would that not cause more problems (puking, fights etc?) and having people leave the bar intoxicated for almost 8 hrs (if pre-drinking started at 8)?

No because they spread out how much they can drink in that period of time.

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Originally posted by loca carlos quadruple fists... one in each pocket, one in each hand hahaha! i keep him in line tho so he's not one of those that cause trouble but you're right. forget a last call though. why can't they just do like europe? be open all night! it's not a big deal and most people don't end up drinking that much anyways because they don't feel pressure to get in as much as they can before the night is over.

Exactly my point.

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Originally posted by jchung52 so then you would have more people @ the bar drunk already, drinking more. would that not cause more problems (puking, fights etc?) and having people leave the bar intoxicated for almost 8 hrs (if pre-drinking started at 8)?

Maybe at first it might be like that for a few people but to be honest, as i said, in Europe most clubs that are open all night, serve drinks all night and i have yet to witness a fight or someone puking from drinking in excess in a club there.(Usually the puking is drug-related. Hah!)

Another thing that might be nice is if the bloody subway ran at all hours! Every time i go out i have to worry about when to leave the club so i can catch the last subway to finch (and once i'm at finch i have to worry about getting the bus back because YRT doesn't run after 2). I don't understand how the city can complain about drunken driving when methods of transportation (minus the blue lights) shut down after 2am!

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dont get me wrong, im all for pushing it later... just saying, at least for me, i like having a drink in my hand. so when im done one, i go and get another. im not a sipper either and with the size of glasses and the amount of ice in them, its easy to go through lots of drinks.. i guess im different.

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Originally posted by jchung52 so then you would have more people @ the bar drunk already, drinking more. would that not cause more problems (puking, fights etc?) and having people leave the bar intoxicated for almost 8 hrs (if pre-drinking started at 8)?

there would definitely be a learning curve for Torontonians if they decided to extend 'Last Call'. Because alot of people wouldn't quite know how to handle it and their initial reaction would be to do the same that they're currently doing....Until they quickly realize that leaving at 4,5, or 6am is quite different than leaving at 2-3am from a club.

The regular 'binge' drinkers will still binge because they'll want to get home before a certain hour but for the most part, partiers who want to enjoy the full extent of the club night will realize that they're better off stagnating their drinking because the party now goes on for longer and they don't have to leave so early.

This will help seperate the 'MEN' from the 'Mice', and by that I mean that those who can handle the longer nights will see it through, whereas the mice will still leave around 2-3am hammered, but you won't have 60,000 people all hammered loitering around the same area because they're forced to.

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