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Originally posted by crazedcanuck

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Originally posted by Beings Click Here Quite a few pills indeed have amp/methamp in them. MDMA normally is not speedy at all, and will not make you want to jump around for hours upon hours. Now, being sick from a methbomb for a week, that does sound a bit far fetched. Lack of sleep for a few nights more like it.

That's what I was alluding to. My point is the pill may have had part of the methamphetamine family in it, but it wasn't a "CRYSTAL METH" pill.

Like others mentioned the pills today are not true E/MDMA. He likely took something other than MDMA or crystal in it. Especially with the description of stomach problems and vomitting.

Perhaps he meant the pill was laced with it as opposed to comprised primarily of it. Even then the meth wouldn't have had such long-lasting and overt physical effects for the reported small dose. More likely he suffered some form of poisoning/toxic shock from the crap in the fake E, or he simply doesn't respond well/was allergic to something in it.

If there was something bad going around local messageboards (if this occured here) would have been @ least abuzz with mentions of it somewhere. Makes me think either the reaction was user specific if it wasn't more widespread @ the event attended since the pills were grabbed there. Or the guy took many different drugs and is BSing his friends, or the story has been (shock) exaggerated.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck Crystal meth, no matter the form, will never be the MAJORITY narcotic in a PRESSED pill. It simply doesn't add up financially similar to that heroin is being used as the cut bullshit from the late 90s, early 2000s. @ best there might be elements of the speed/methadrine family in the pill.

best part was when the cop did the before vs after pics...WOW

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck That's what I was alluding to. My point is the pill may have had part of the methamphetamine family in it, but it wasn't a "CRYSTAL METH" pill. Like others mentioned the pills today are not true E/MDMA. He likely took something other than MDMA or crystal in it. Especially with the description of stomach problems and vomitting. Perhaps he meant the pill was laced with it as opposed to comprised primarily of it. Even then the meth wouldn't have had such long-lasting and overt physical effects for the reported small dose. More likely he suffered some form of poisoning/toxic shock from the crap in the fake E, or he simply doesn't respond well/was allergic to something in it. If there was something bad going around local messageboards (if this occured here) would have been @ least abuzz with mentions of it somewhere. Makes me think either the reaction was user specific if it wasn't more widespread @ the event attended since the pills were grabbed there. Or the guy took many different drugs and is BSing his friends, or the story has been (shock) exaggerated.

Yea, you totally got me - I made the whole thing up to seem cooler in front of you meth-heads. Obviously I can't say EXACTLY what was in it, unless we examined the contents of his stomach after.

P.S. The story wasn't exxagerated in any way because I was the one who took him to the emergency room, where he jumped the line of everyone cause of his condition. And the doc was pretty pissed at us for waiting this long to go because if it was any longer, he would have died. I don't know what was in it, and I don't know why it happened like it did, but the other people who we talked about this to, said that by the symptoms, it was meth. Sorry if I badmouthed meth, Mr. Skeptic.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yea, you totally got me - I made the whole thing up to seem cooler in front of you meth-heads. Obviously I can't say EXACTLY what was in it, unless we examined the contents of his stomach after. P.S. The story wasn't exxagerated in any way because I was the one who took him to the emergency room, where he jumped the line of everyone cause of his condition. And the doc was pretty pissed at us for waiting this long to go because if it was any longer, he would have died. I don't know what was in it, and I don't know why it happened like it did, but the other people who we talked about this to, said that by the symptoms, it was meth. Sorry if I badmouthed meth, Mr. Skeptic.

I wasn't claiming the events of his illness and reaction were false (although I did allude the tale might be blown up a touch) but that it was possible he lied about what he took as there was a week inbetween the dose and the hospitalization.

Primarily though you certainly pulled this out of your ass.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Sometimes they're not just cut - sometimes it's pure crystal meth that's "marketed" as E. One of my friends got themselves one of those pills in a club without really knowing what they were taking.

Did you get a toxicology report (done by bloodtest genius, not pumping his stomach), other pills tested, or do the infamous scientific method of "well it sounds like it might be meth, thus IT WAS A PURE METH PILL". In an age of lower quality and cheaper prices (hey idiots you get what you pay for in a $6-$10 pill) do you really think pure meth which costs more than pressed E pills would be substituted for E to sell in a club? Certainly the pill may have been laced with part of the meth family, as well as tons of other things.

If he had taken a pill that in pressed form would likely equate 0.2 - 0.3 grams of meth, he would have had a heart attack, especially in a sensory overload environment like a club, where you said he got the pill.

Also, drop the defensive sarcastic victim bullshit. Meth is a terribly addictive and crippling drug and no-where have I promoted it. I was lucky to keep my usage like I did my E usage, to weekends and out of my daily life. Others aren't so lucky.

What pissed me off about this was the blatant mis-information. I'm sure you'd agree that the a big issue with drug use in the scene these days is safe product, no matter what your tastes. You used to be able to ask what they dosed, what the stamp was, the kind of rush/roll/high.. it was a very communal aspect of shared knowledge (somewhat unintentionally) of what was safe.

The green CKs of 1999 were great, the ones from summer 2000 were bad and a lot of people were sick/overdosed etc.

The last 4 or 5 yrs, especially the younger and more mainstream the crowd, the question is never asked.. when it is posed 99% of the time people don't know the colour much less the stamp. If it's MDA, MDMA, the kind of high etc. People just pop and go.

It's not primarily a music culture anymore, it's a drug culture with some fancy lights and beeping music for a significant chunk of those out on a weekly basis.

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck If he had taken a pill that in pressed form would likely equate 0.2 - 0.3 grams of meth, he would have had a heart attack, especially in a sensory overload environment like a club, where you said he got the pill.

I was gonna say...wouldn't they die from this? cuz one pill of meth...I can only imagine what they would go through and how long they would last...

It's a scary drug...but there are ppl who will do it once or twice and never touch it again..they'll get over it...so this leaves a lot more room for new users...where they think this can happen to them as well...I know a person that has done it and never went back to it...The risks are so high, I just don't understand why ppl are so stupid.

I'm lucky enough to have never experienced this, and lucky enough to not know ppl that use this drug...

A lot of the pills going around these days have meth in them... which totally sucks... One of the reasons not many people do not do pills anymore, and hence the price of pills dropping.... But dealers are pretty greedy these days thats why, they even cut K with a lot of shit, hence why I don't do that as often.