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Originally posted by SMC Meaning?

lol, i was just trying to clarify his opinion for you, not somehow undermine your knowledge of BT or start an argument

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Originally posted by SMC "fucking about with different kinds of abstract technology" is certainly one of the elements on TBU, but to say "most of the tracks were spawned purely through" that is clearly an exaggeration. It's not like the album is a collection of noises or random amusical stuff, on the contrary it's musically accomplished and at times quite complex, but most of all it's also very listenable, imo at least.

I agree with you completely. I was trying to argue with Ishkur on his forum about BT, but in the process I somehow managed to break his forum. However, your point is bang on: while BT certainly obsesses over the technical side (sometimes at the expense of the wider picture), it is an easy stick to beat him with and often exaggerated wildly to put him down. The transition from an intermittent flaw in his work to the defining characteristic of his music is a big one.

This Binary Universe is a fantastic album, and to dismiss it as high-tech wankery is to deny yourself enjoying a great piece of music entirely through prejudice and preconception.

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What it seems to me is that the "attitude" changed from scifi in the 90's to fantasy in the 00's. It's a bit of a clumsy analogy I guess, but even the most forward thinking among us picked their own pet moments from the past and got all romantic about them. The attitude now seems a bit more conservative and against change, there looks to be a lot of people who just want to go back to the way things were, in music and beyond. I look back at what I went through, starting in 2002 or so, and it was fun, there are not really any regrets about it even if it was all recycled pieces of fantasy. The future in the 90's seemed more hopeful and exciting, I think when we imagine the future now, it seems scary. Today the visions of the future make us fantasize and clip together these fun little collages of everything we liked about the past, hoping that it will make us all feel a little better.

I will admit, in a dark room in washington about 3 years and 11 months ago, I did have a look around the room during "as the rush comes", and I did get that feeling like everything was gonna be OK. That is just my attempt to be empathic and semi on-topic, that our attitude has changed from scifi to fantasy, most us who are into one are into the other luckily. I'm alright with letting the dead army march into the city and eating fairy fruit for a while.

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Originally posted by isoterra lol, i was just trying to clarify his opinion for you, not somehow undermine your knowledge of BT or start an argument

It's alright.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I agree with you completely. I was trying to argue with Ishkur on his forum about BT, but in the process I somehow managed to break his forum. However, your point is bang on: while BT certainly obsesses over the technical side (sometimes at the expense of the wider picture), it is an easy stick to beat him with and often exaggerated wildly to put him down. The transition from an intermittent flaw in his work to the defining characteristic of his music is a big one. This Binary Universe is a fantastic album, and to dismiss it as high-tech wankery is to deny yourself enjoying a great piece of music entirely through prejudice and preconception.

I'm with you a 100%. About Ishkur: it's really beyond me how anyone who pretends to know anything about music can call TBU "the most abstract of music production". That's just ridiculous. Further he mocks BT's enthusiasm for the technical aspects of music creation while completely ignoring the music itself.

fu·tur·ism /ˈfyutʃəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fyoo-chuh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun

(often initial capital letter) a style of art, literature, music, etc., and a theory of art and life in which violence, power, speed, mechanization or machines, and hostility to the past or to traditional forms of expression were advocated or portrayed.











fu·tur·ism (fyōō'chə-rĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. A belief that the meaning of life and one's personal fulfillment lie in the future and not in the present or past.
2. An artistic movement originating in Italy around 1910 whose aim was to express the energetic, dynamic, and violent quality of contemporary life, especially as embodied in the motion and force of modern machinery.

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Originally posted by ToxicGreenWaste fu·tur·ism /ˈfyutʃəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fyoo-chuh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun (often initial capital letter) a style of art, literature, music, etc., and a theory of art and life in which violence, power, speed, mechanization or machines, and hostility to the past or to traditional forms of expression were advocated or portrayed. fu·tur·ism (fyōō'chə-rĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key n. 1. A belief that the meaning of life and one's personal fulfillment lie in the future and not in the present or past. 2. An artistic movement originating in Italy around 1910 whose aim was to express the energetic, dynamic, and violent quality of contemporary life, especially as embodied in the motion and force of modern machinery.

hahaha

this should've been posted right at the start.

yeah we all know about the art movement called futurism. I am an art/architecture student and have done a good deal of research on Giacomo Balla, Marinetti and the futurist manifesto, Antonio Sant'Elia, etc

i know what Futurism with a capital F is.

your first definition is very narrow and concerns this movement


futurism as a word also applies to a sort of philosophy of making art which is hinted at in the first definition in the second part. it is about making things for the future and not for the past, about disconnecting from the past and trusting in progressive technology.

obviously futurism meant things like railroads and automobiles in the past, but we can use this term today to refer to a modern futurism. or maybe you would rather I use a stupid phrase like "neo-futurist"




nice job copying the dictionary.


i bet you learned how to make babies while reading the "s" section too

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Originally posted by excite331 I think that everything is great.

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Has society in general changed much in the past 10 years? Ever since leading up to the turn of the century the past 10 years of popular culture seems to want to go back to the 80s and more recently patching into the 90s, in the early part of the decade popular culture was hyped on the 70s. It seems as though we have hit a glass cieling in general as far as populare culture goes, which reflects on art and the evolution of art, and one of the most popular art forms Music. Maybe people are happy with the level that life has reached as far as futurism is concerned, maybe we are at a place in the future and going any further will be too unnatural and too futuristic. We have computers, cell phones, ipods, we are always connected to the latest and greatest through the internet.

Maybe computers and technology arent inspiring society to push a culture around computers. We came we saw we...arent hyped. Computers and technology are soulesss, they have no fabric no texture no feeling. Why are kids growing up in the 21st century gravitating towards the 80s the 70s, when a future full of amazing technology is available? Are we ever going to embrace cyber punk or a blade runner world?

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Perhaps come the year 2017, electronic music...I'm betting Carl Craig will still be on top of the charts.

A major flaw with that article is that Philip Sherburne seems to ignore that Electronic music can have relevance for much longer than any other form of music. There is no real major image used to sell the music like there is for American Pop music or Rap music or Country Music. The images used to sell other forms of music age the sound instead of help keep it endlessly relevant. If you watch a video of 70s funk and you look at the style and hear the sounds you can easily tell its dated music (i love 70s funk btw). People listen to Electronic music predominantly for the music, and not the image associated with it. Electronic sound has almost an infinte shelf life, a track that is 10 years old doesnt have the age of a 10 yr old track because there was no image associated with it unless a rare occassion that a video is made for it.

So does Electronic sound really need to evolve or keep pushing towards the future when it is aging much slower than any other form? Sine waves, Saw waves, Triangle Waves and Square waves are what this music are made around, infinintely relevant Math and Logic. Whenever these logical and mathematical means to sounds become daft, that is when Electronic music might have to start taking a new form with new instruments and new technologies to achieve sound to meet the new needs of the Electronic music genre listeners. So does this futurism ever have to be realised or will it ever? Either way as a Electronic music producer I welcome the future in sound when and if it needs to arrive.

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Last edited by LionsLair on Nov-05-2007 at 04:56