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Originally posted by RJT You know what you're doing right here though? It's called propaganda - that's what happens when someone takes half of the facts of a situation and posits them in a manner to support their own agenda instead of what is actually the case. Do you know why there are far less children being adopted than there are still in the system? Do you know how kids go "into the system" in the first place? No need for you to answer, it's clearly a no. I'm not being a dick, Theresa - I just cannot stand when people spout the kind of pseudo-intellectual drivel that you do day in and day out on here. You haven't got a clue, and your self-righteous attitude in concert with your idiocy make you one of the most irritating and annoying posters this forum has ever seen.

Uhh, the numbers speak for themselves.

There are more children in the system then there should be. People should not be able to get off so easily to just give up what they created.

Do YOU know why they are in the system? Claiming that I obviously don't suggests that you apparently think you do. Care to use your wonderful brain of yours and share it with us? Maybe have a normal conversation about it?

You are being a dick Rob. I challenged you before, and being the self-righteous guy that you are, you didn't like it. Since then, you have had a vendetta against me and haven't been able to apparently let it go despite my best efforts to play nice.

And of course, since you're the "cool" guy who smokes pot and parties with many of the frequent posters here, you have managed to get some band wagoners in on the Theresa hating.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Okay. Dear POOR WOMAN WHO WAS RAPED BY HER FATHER AND GAVE BIRTH TO KIDS WHO'S GRANDFATHER AND FATHER WAS THE SAME MAN, AND WHOSE DEAD SIBLINGS WERE LEFT TO ROT IN THE FUCKING OVEN OR WHATEVER, AND WHO, ALONG WITH THE CHILDREN THAT LIVED, HAD NOT SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY FOR ALL THOSE YEARS. WHAT TRAUMA, WHAT PAIN, WHAT SUFFERING THEY MUST HAVE GONE THROUGH, Rather than give a child up for adoption, it would be best to keep it in the cellar and have babies with it. Don't you agree? Thoughtfully yours, Arbiter

oh fucken LOL. hahaha.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I think she stayed there because she liked it. What kind of woman decides to have babies with her dad? Even after years she still didn't bother to pop down to the chemist and buy some birth control pills. I bet she had screaming orgasms.

I quite like this fellow.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Okay. Dear POOR WOMAN WHO WAS RAPED BY HER FATHER AND GAVE BIRTH TO KIDS WHO'S GRANDFATHER AND FATHER WAS THE SAME MAN, AND WHOSE DEAD SIBLINGS WERE LEFT TO ROT IN THE FUCKING OVEN OR WHATEVER, AND WHO, ALONG WITH THE CHILDREN THAT LIVED, HAD NOT SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY FOR ALL THOSE YEARS. WHAT TRAUMA, WHAT PAIN, WHAT SUFFERING THEY MUST HAVE GONE THROUGH, Rather than give a child up for adoption, it would be best to keep it in the cellar and have babies with it. Don't you agree? Thoughtfully yours, Arbiter

Dude, stay out of this.

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Ok, T...I'll bite.

If we wanna go "the system" route...do you really think it's any better for these kids if they stay in homes where they aren't wanted, or in environments that are unstable? What do you think it's like to grow up with a parent with a substance abuse problem? Or what if they are abusive? Also, do you think it costs the government any less to support young mothers??

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Originally posted by smakmagik TELL THAT TO THE POOR WOMAN WHO WAS RAPED BY HER FATHER AND GAVE BIRTH TO KIDS WHOSE GRANDFATHER AND FATHER WAS THE SAME MAN, AND WHOSE DEAD SIBLINGS WERE LEFT TO ROT IN THE FUCKING OVEN OR WHATEVER, AND WHO, ALONG WITH THE CHILDREN THAT LIVED, HAD NOT SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY FOR ALL THOSE YEARS. WHAT TRAUMA, WHAT PAIN, WHAT SUFFERING THEY MUST HAVE GONE THROUGH.

Ill tell her. Should i invite her to my basement? I am sure she will be reluctant to come.

My sister is adopted.

Half of her "biological family" is in jail, the other half are actual crack addicts.

I'm not even joking either, her bio-mom claimed my mom and dad "stole her out of her stomach" and that my sister should have been allowed to make up her own mind. (She was 6 months old I think).

Her bio-family is like something off Maury, I love rural Quebec

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i've never understood anti-abortion arguments. a fetus becomes human at the point in which the brain develops. before this point, it is just a body, a collection of cells, with no self-awareness.

"but you're killing a life".

what the fuck?

i kill a few million potential babies every day, it's called wanking. by this argument, pro-lifers should be against menstruation, wanking and sex as well, because they're all guilty of "killing life". Anyway...

If you were adopted, would you want to know?
Yes, from day one. It is better to know where you stand straight away, than find out when you are 40.

If you knew, would you want to meet your birth parents?
Yes.

If you adopted a child, how would you feel about the birth mother trying to contact you?
I'd suss her out. If shes a deadbeat, I wouldn't let her near my child.

If you gave up a child, would you want to contact him or her when they reached adulthood?
Yes.

Any other thoughts on adoption?
I have nothing against adoption. When I drive through the northern suburbs (shit hole) and see how these people live, it's pretty easy to be pro-adoption.

It's a pretty straight forward decision:
"Can I raise a child better than the state?"
If not, then the baby should go up for adoption. Simple.

Theresa, your attitude towards adoption is absolutely retarded, I'm sorry.

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Not to mention that a lot of them do not become upstanding citizens and then continue to use the system as adults.

This is straight up wrong. Children who are under the care of the system usually recieve good education and are better off than ALOT of people in shit areas, at least in Australia. My irish grandfather went into the system when he was about 6 or so... and came out the other end an engineer. likewise, my russian grandfathers entire family was killed when he was 10. he landed in australia at 11-12, without even being able to speak a word of english. He did ok for himself though and never had to rely on the system. Infact, the system wasn't even there for him at all - he got sent to labour camps. That was decades ago, when social security was primitive to say the least. Lastly, one of my best mates has been "alone" his entire life and is now at uni.

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Originally posted by nchs09 Ill tell her. Should i invite her to my basement? I am sure she will be reluctant to come.

Would she? Going down to basements with guys for purposes of pleasure would be her 'thing' wouldn't it?

*Waits for image of stickwoman in dark basement with 'I'd Hit It' written above to do the rounds on the internet soon*

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Originally posted by echosystm i've never understood anti-abortion arguments. a fetus becomes human at the point in which the brain develops. before this point, it is just a body, a collection of cells, with no self-awareness. "but you're killing a life". what the fuck?

Educated people understand these things.

Uneducated people don't.

My next door neighbour was a ward of the government right up until last summer when she turned 18. She is a smart, hard working girl, and will be starting school in the fall for nursing. She works two jobs to pay her rent, and has saved all of her money to pay for school. She's owned 2 cars, both of which she paid cash for.

Doesn't sound like she grew up to abuse the system to me.