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Originally posted by gizzymcg This level of sanity is a rarity on this board. Well said

Thankyou

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Originally posted by DCgirly WTF I didnt know Tiesto did commercials

Haha, they should've cut the rope and dropped him into the lake for doing both the jesus stunt and the coca cola ad. Was that Johan Gielen looking at the sky, with a WTF expression?

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Originally posted by LionsLair @ replies Its the usual suspects, a few ring leaders and the lemming followers. RJT's first post derailment is typical of RJT's contribution to the site. Negativity and crying. I think we should be supporting an EDM DJ getting to the platform of playing for the Olympic Games, an event that millions of people will be watching around the world. It opens the door for EDM growing and we should support that for what it is, and drop the elistist bullshit for things like this. Especially you TA's who are DJ's or Producers, Tiesto's mainstream appeal is growing EDM through respectable venues like the Olympic Games. In a way its helping you small fish that probably will never get out of your small pond. Maybe EDM will get big enough for a party to be happening in so many places that someone will sign your ass to a gig regularly. And for the listeners, if EDM continues to grow you will have more choices of EDM venues. Support growth, drop the elitist mentality that is so prevalent in these artist bashing threads.

It opens the door for dozens of drunk kids assaulting the DJ booth screaming their lungs off in a request for that "Tiesto track" which is not actually by Tiesto. It opens the door to commercialization and bastardization of the music that we love.

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I thought the track was alright. Its tiesto, and called "global harmony" ...its gotta be epic and somewhat cheesy. what did you expect?

The way I see it, if people who only know of tiesto want to pay a lot to see him that's fine. Perhaps some of them will move onto house/prog/techno/dnb and get more into edm much like most of us moved through the spectrum of edm genres.... or maybe they will just love trance concerts, and we can still enjoy the music we like by the djs we like with or without them. It's not bad for edm.

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Originally posted by whiskers It opens the door for dozens of drunk kids assaulting the DJ booth screaming their lungs off in a request for that "Tiesto track" which is not actually by Tiesto. It opens the door to commercialization and bastardization of the music that we love.

I initially got into EDM because of trance and artists like Tiesto. I've learned a lot since then and realize the cheese that he brings, but the music he played definitely was a conduit for me into this music.

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Originally posted by Clovis It just depends on what you aspire to be. A money making brand name, charging people an arm and a leg to see your "performance"...or someone making music because they love making music, not afraid to play for 1000 or 100 people.

It's a double edged sword. Everyone (mostly) gets started in this scene for the love of it. I think everyone knows... you aren't going to make a dime if you are just getting started. There are the people that have day jobs that pay the bills (such as myself) and do what they love just because. I don't have a doubt in my mind that if they are successful and could make music their jobs and live off of it, they would in a heartbeat (such as myself).

And when you become successful... you aspire to do even greater things. The saying "the rich get richer" applies because they want to make even more money than what they already have. You are successful and you want to be even MORE successful! No one is going to hang up the headphones and go "Well all right... I played in front of xx,xxx people, had 10 #1's, made $1 mil, no need to do this anymore."

You keep doing it and take what people/companies/etc are willing to pay. Madonna is a perfect example... she's been at it for 20+ years and the best seats in the house at one of her shows has a face value of $350. People pay even more than that because they want to...

lets be honest... to be able to retire and live comfortably working in this industry is not an easy task. Those that accomplish it... I applaud them.

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Originally posted by seneca It's a double edged sword. Everyone (mostly) gets started in this scene for the love of it. I think everyone knows... you aren't going to make a dime if you are just getting started. There are the people that have day jobs that pay the bills (such as myself) and do what they love just because. I don't have a doubt in my mind that if they are successful and could make music their jobs and live off of it, they would in a heartbeat (such as myself). And when you become successful... you aspire to do even greater things. The saying "the rich get richer" applies because they want to make even more money than what they already have. You are successful and you want to be even MORE successful! No one is going to hang up the headphones and go "Well all right... I played in front of xx,xxx people, had 10 #1's, made $1 mil, no need to do this anymore." You keep doing it and take what people/companies/etc are willing to pay. Madonna is a perfect example... she's been at it for 20+ years and the best seats in the house at one of her shows has a face value of $350. People pay even more than that because they want to... lets be honest... to be able to retire and live comfortably working in this industry is not an easy task. Those that accomplish it... I applaud them.

Good points, but I think there are other ways to remain in the industry into retirement without completely sacrificing credibility.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Good points, but I think there are other ways to remain in the industry into retirement without completely sacrificing credibility.

And either way, shit like this:

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"The trancey crowd is more into the music, so they are very fanatical in voting. It's a way of life for them. House people just go to a club, drink their champagne and they don't really care, and the same with techno people, I guess. Those people care less about the music. Thats why trance got so extreme, because the people who love it really love it. They go crazy, they are very passionate about it. Trance people are also very open minded, trance is just a name, a stigma. It's got so much more to it. You see many diversions from it. You can play whatever you want nowadays and call it trance music, anything with a little bit of a melody is called trance, so that's good."

...tells me all I need to know.

Society has embraced talentless, "brand name" musicians for decades because they pander to the lowest common denominator - that doesn't mean I've got to endorse or respect it by virtue of their success alone.

Though to be fair, it isn't as if I had any respect for the man to lose in the first place, so really it's no net loss.

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Originally posted by aBigWreck I initially got into EDM because of trance and artists like Tiesto. I've learned a lot since then and realize the cheese that he brings, but the music he played definitely was a conduit for me into this music.

+1

Mainstream artists will always be throwing people with newfound music tastes every which way...Ergo some of the aforementioned people are bound to land here...So why condemn them? Try educating them. I learned a helluva lot since joining, I must say.

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