because tracks can move above and below the ground - that's the whole concept of it.


you can't MAKE an underground track.*

you make a track, and society determines whether or not it's underground.


i don't like to play things that are overplayed or well known because i like to surprise and disorient my listeners/dancers. this is a major incentive for me to favor 'underground' music.












*unless your name is ali shirazinia

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lol

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT As long as some tracks keep their release strictly to vinyl, some music will still be kept "underground."

man you hit something ive been thinking about lately. thats a whole other thread topic right there. so many tracks i would love to play that have never been and never will be released digitally (like perlon, cadenza, etc). i sorted my tracks by kbps and all the good stuff i want to play are VBR stuff from soulseek. so i seek out these tracks to buy digitally and find out im sol on most of them. so i go through what's left in that list and seek them out as vinyl purchases on discogs, only to find most of them selling for an absurd amount of money, usually from someone in europe, with a shipping cost almost as much as the price of a new record. greedy nerdy record collectors. so i end up playing out an illegal VBR vinyl rip from time to time, which usually sounds horrible on a PA, which is why it rarely happens, probably never again because ive yet to hear a vinyl rip sound good on a PA. the f am i supposed to do? pay $50 for a used vinyl that came out only 2 years ago?

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Originally posted by stevësto the f am i supposed to do? pay $50 for a used vinyl that came out only 2 years ago?

yes, unfortunately.

it's people doing exactly what you're doing that 'kills the underground'.

i mean if they want to release it that way they are doing it for a reason. move to berlin if you want to be a part of that scene! otherwise, pay up or get different music, basically.

Yeesh, get real people, who cares about being hip in the big crowd [mainstream] or hip in select company [underground].
If you want to be innovative and surprising with what you play, go ahead, but stop this pseudo-intellectual rattle about being underground or not.
You underground asshats among with the mainstream dongpushers are what is killing the scene and the enjoyment of quality trance and other EDM.
You tell people that trance is shite and there's "near to no good trance" anymore and they just keep pushing shitty trance.
I thank both factions for effectively trying their best to kill trance off.
WANKERS!

if there's a real underground left, it's where people come together and party their asses off on great tunes, whatever those tunes may be.
I'm underground as heck.
You know why?
Because i don't pretend and listen what i like and surprisingly it's not what most people, including trance-turds and you asshats, like.
I don't give a damn about Sensation, Armin, Ferry, Tiesto or any othe mainstream hero or their followers and i sure don't give a heck about your pseudo-intellectual self-masturbatory demeaning opinions as about what one should or should not like to be a "real" underground master and a "real" EDM connoisseur.

Honestly, i'd rather party with ASOT fans than try to fit in with you EDM snobs, because at least ASOT fans are honest about what they like and don't use pompous and elevated language and definitions to separate them from others to form an "underground elite".

Anyway, i blew off some necessary steam, now go enjoy some nice EDM and SHUT THE HECK UP!

lol.

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Originally posted by Barachem Yeesh, get real people, who cares about being hip in the big crowd [mainstream] or hip in select company [underground].

Why don't you tell us?

This thread is about the distribution of music, not about "being hip," whatever you think that means.

True, the thread WAS about distribution of music.
SOON it took an ugly turn towards hipsterism vs. elitist hipsterism.
Don't tell me you never noticed that.
And on the other hand, you bring the subject of underground as if it's so much better than mainstream.
If you go by sales of records, there's a distinction between mainstream and underground and it's hard and solid.
Mainstream is that which gets much exposure and sells much, underground is what doesn't get much exposure except in certain local small scenes and doesn't sell much.
Objective definition that does not say which is good or bad.
Some people want to go mainstream, some underground.
When i read how you are have become to disgust mainstream by near automatism and glorify underground in your myopic vision, i say ok, your view.
But if you keep elevating your own elitist opinions on EDM as state-cold and objective fact and become self-appointed arbiters of quality, my blood begins to boil and i wonder what superpowers i might enact on you.

I just dislike elitist pricks very much.

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Originally posted by Barachem And on the other hand, you bring the subject of underground as if it's so much better than mainstream.

Funny, I haven't even commented on "mainstream" music in this thread, nor have I said that "underground" is "so much better" than "mainstream." If you think I said anything like that, then point it out. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else?

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But if you keep elevating your own elitist opinions on EDM as state-cold and objective fact and become self-appointed arbiters of quality, my blood begins to boil and i wonder what superpowers i might enact on you. I just dislike elitist pricks very much.

Okey doke. What I don't understand is why you think I'm such an elitist. Is anyone with a critical view of a lot of current music automatically an "elitist prick" in your eyes?

BACH ALSO MADE DANCE MUSIC. BUT ALL HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN IN THE NEVERENDING BATTLE OF THE MEATHEADS VS GEEKS WARS OF GOING OUT.

I'm picturing a dark club where the DJs play minuets and waltzes as strobe lights flash and people go crazy on the dance floor.

Underground!

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT As long as some tracks keep their release strictly to vinyl, some music will still be kept "underground."

So it's official then, if it only comes out on vinyl, it's underground.

Give me a fucking break.

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