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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While I am by no means as knowledgeable as you in the linguistic studies, am I not mistaken that the "creole" of any language is a simplified form of that language?

hmmm... well...

On the one hand, you're (kinda) correct in your assumption, being not a student of linguistics. Creoles do appear to be simpler to the non-linguist, as they result from linguistic contact, wherein speakers need to communicate even though they don't share a common language (pidgin) but, as new generations appear, the language becomes quite complex (that's the creole). Unless you study linguistics, I don't think you ought to know the difference between pidgin languages and creoles though. They probably sound like butchered versions of one of the parent languages anyway

However, J made a mistake as well: English was not Ebonics only source language. AAVE (African American Vernacular English) was deeply influenced by - not surprisingly - African languages.

So, even though his got a point, you shouldn't feel ashamed or anything.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Creoles are simplified forms of languages

I wouldn't be so sure about that, J, as their grammar can get quite nasty after a while.

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Originally posted by Lira I wouldn't be so sure about that, J, as their grammar can get quite nasty after a while.

Note the plural- languages as in specific languages, not language as a concept. Creoles can become very developed over time, but they originate by taking simplified forms of the existing languages- the substrate and the superstrate.

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Originally posted by Lira hmmm... well... On the one hand, you're (kinda) correct in your assumption, being not a student of linguistics. Creoles do appear to be simpler to the non-linguist, as they result from linguistic contact, wherein speakers need to communicate even though they don't share a common language (pidgin) but, as new generations appear, the language becomes quite complex (that's the creole). Unless you study linguistics, I don't think you ought to know the difference between pidgin languages and creoles though. They probably sound like butchered versions of one of the parent languages anyway However, J made a mistake as well: English was not Ebonics only source language. AAVE (African American Vernacular English) was deeply influenced by - not surprisingly - African languages. So, even though his got a point, you shouldn't feel ashamed or anything.

By no means was I ashamed, but it was obvious he has a much deeper understanding of linguistics than I do. I can't fully argue this, as I am really uninformed of most of this vernacular.

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

After riding public transportation I think I'm now fluent in ebonics.

the problem is that for many, the syntax of both written and spoken language is very important. the form and regularity of language create the structure which is necessary for effective communication. this presents a problem because effective communication is completely relative. there are many 'corrupted' dialects of languages that allow individuals to communicate completely effectively, while an outsider might will not have the same abilities.

now you don't write a financial report or present a paper using ebonics. you write or speak in the proper, standardized ways. of course there is room for creativity, but at the risk of looking like a fool. people won't take you seriously if you write or speak in ebonics. if you're a projects-to-yale wonder story, people probably will, but how many individuals do you know like this? this brings about a new topic on why and how languages change but i digress

so yeah, there's not problem using ebonics. just don't expect to get that 20 mil in venture capital.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Note the plural- languages as in specific languages, not language as a concept. Creoles can become very developed over time, but they originate by taking simplified forms of the existing languages- the substrate and the superstrate.

Oh, I interpreted that as a one-to-one relationship, never mind then.

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wow @ this thread, lol.

why focus on ebonics when redneck hicks have been fucking up the english language long before africans could speak a word of it..

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Originally posted by Blake wow @ this thread, lol. why focus on ebonics when redneck hicks have been fucking up the english language long before africans could speak a word of it..

false. rednecks have not been around as long.