[QUOTE e is not pysically addictive. [/QUOTE]


You are correct in that 100% pure MDMA is NOT physically addictive. When was the last time you ran into a 100% pure E Club pill huh??
What is addictive is the other shit they put in the pills:
Cocaine, Heroin, Speed, Crank, Codine, Morphene, PCP, and Ketamine to name a few. Last time I checked those drugs ARE Physically addictive and they are the reason club pills contain 40-60% MDMA, TO GET AND KEEP YOU HOOKED!

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Originally posted by TECHno addict I've been a pretty consistant xtc user for about 2 years now. I've had great times in the past on the drug, but the past few times ive used have turned out to be some of the worst experiences of my life. This is why ive decided to stop doing this mentally damaging drug. The last 3 or 4 times of using, my buzz has worn off quicker, and the come down has been far worse, resulting in me throwing up from such bad migraines. The feeling of depression and emptyness isnt too swell either. I dont regret doing E, since it is the reason i got into the electronic music scene. But i thought i'd post this to other users who have considered quitting, and maybe make people realize you can enjoy raves/parties without the chemicals.

It's always a shame people realise the bad thing about it AFTER something has happened...Same for the traffic kills....People first have to experience an accident before driving slower (Im saying NOT ALL but u know what I mean...)

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Originally posted by Screenp2 quote: e is not pysically addictive. You are correct in that 100% pure MDMA is NOT physically addictive. When was the last time you ran into a 100% pure E Club pill huh?? What is addictive is the other shit they put in the pills: Cocaine, Heroin, Speed, Crank, Codine, Morphene, PCP, and Ketamine to name a few. Last time I checked those drugs ARE Physically addictive and they are the reason club pills contain 40-60% MDMA, TO GET AND KEEP YOU HOOKED!

actually every pill i have ever taken has had nothing but mdma or a derivative of mdma and non drug filler in it. i know this because i am not stupid and luckily have had someone that from the beggining that made me aware that i should know everything there is to know about what im doing so i test my pills and i only buy from people i trust. and i dont buy random shit from people at clubs. and if u are smart in your drug choises you would do the same. the amount of coke, heroin (WHICH IS NOT IN E!!! its a complete myth) and all those other drugs that ~might~ be in the e that someones dumbass is doing cause they dont test that shit is so lil that you would have to take mass amounts for the addictive qualities to take into affect. for example coke.. lets say a pill is 60% e and 40% coke.... do u realize how little coke that really is!!! its not enough for u to even feel the affects of it much less get addicted to it from that pill!! speed is dif cause that is a more stronger drug and more highly addictive and more commonly found in e. and its not very common the drugs you have listed are in e. more along the lines of dxm, pma, caffeine. and suprised you havent mentioned dxm, and pma cause those are the real killers. maybe you should read up on them. id be worried less about speed in my pill than those 2. people are just OK with the fact that there are other drugs in their e. as long as they get fucked up but a year down the line they want to start blaming someone else cause they happened to take a fake e pill. the resources are out there for anyone to know what they are putting in their body. There is hardly any excuse for making ignorant decisions these days with all the information that is out there.

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Darkness...
It's a drug plain and simple, you don't make it nor do you know exactly what is in your pill. I have found H in my pills as I had them tested by a lab before. I used to buy in large quantity, so before they hit the club, I'd have them tested to make sure they were good, I didn't want ppl like you to fall over dead on the floor, I'd lose a customer. Can't have that happen..

I believe the original topic of this post was about quitting XTC.
I relayed my story of it's use and why I quit doing it.
You now sound like a salesman promoting it's use because your going on and on about how safe it is while defending it.

If it means that much to you then you are obviously still under it's wing. Stay their, keep eating it and when you quit come on back and share your stories. until then let us quitters have our space.

P.S. For readers who want the whole truth about any drug, goto the Lycaeum.
http://www.lycaeum.org/

--DjEmulsioN

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If it dosen't sound like a train pulling away from the station to take you on a trip through your mind and soul, then it's not TRANCE!!

actually i am not promoting it. i am promoting the safe use of it. if one decides they want to do it. or if u are already doing it but are doing it irresponsibly. we cant deny that people are going to use it and i just like to help in the spread of correct information. i am not 'under the wing' of e seeing as ive only done it 5 times in the past year and a half. and never in the whole time ive taken it have i abused it.

and no i dont make it but i have had my pills lab tested also. trust me im not just talking shit. i research a lot about what i do including each individual pill i take.

i think that it is awesome that you came out of the hole you were in with all the drugs you were doing!!! thats amazing and some people NEVER realize they even have a problem even when they get to your previous state. and if they do realize they have a problem a lot of people feel like it will be impossible to do anything about it. but i believe your problem wasnt e and all those drugs.. it was your ABUSE of them. your lack of self control, your lack of appropriate use.

e with out a doubt is a beautiful and special drug when used in the right way (i work in psycotherapy and know much about its benifits in that department too) and i just hate it when people have a bad experience with it or even just get over it and all of a sudden it becomes "EVIL" like i said most people just dont need to be taking it. especially ones who dont know shit about it and have no respect for it and dont have limits. which is the majority of people and thats sad.

and about the heroin.. money wise its not even worth it to put heroin in e. but im not gonna argue that u say u had it tested and there was some in it but as far as my research has gone there has never been heroin tested in e.

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I agree with TEOD. Ideally, these drugs can be used safely but most of the time that never happens with the users. I'm was not the most consistent user, but I felt the dependency starting so I stopped.

I have more of a preference for natual psychoactives than synthetics now because I can at least know the quality and control the type I want. With E coming from indirect sources, trusted or not, I have no ability to control the quality.

I'd say you want (safe) drugs? Make it yourself if you got the smarts.. :P

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker It's always a shame people realise the bad thing about it AFTER something has happened...Same for the traffic kills....People first have to experience an accident before driving slower (Im saying NOT ALL but u know what I mean...)

I dont think this is the case Tranceseeker. A bad thing didnt happen in my situation. I am reading all the replies to this thread and im starting to realize that maybe i was just doing it too often. Nothing bad in peticular happened, it just began to emotionally and physically drain me, and the effect was far less. And im not saying all people should stop doing E, i actually encourage use if it makes you happy and you enjoy doing it. I wanted to start this thread to see how many people had the same situation as me, and i guess im not the only one with the problem!!!

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And comparing drug use.... to MURDER!?!?!?!

thats exactly what Im doing. You use things called extremes in debates. They show a polarized effect of a moderate idea. You can replace murder and killing with E and dancing but it doesnt quite have the same effect now does it? When you are trying to make a point you dont pick the most politically correct, non offensive, pansy ass example you can find or people disregard it. They are similair in the example because Im saying they are both wrong. That is where they are similair. Wrongness. They are obviously different actions, and it doesnt take a moron to have to point that out to anyone.

And lets reverse this then. You obviously dont think its wrong. So what is RIGHT about it? If someone walked up to you on the street and you had to make a pitch to them to sell them on doing E, what really good evidence could you give them to make them say " You know what, doing E sounds like a really good idea!! I think Ill do it!".

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Originally posted by Orbax And lets reverse this then. You obviously dont think its wrong. So what is RIGHT about it? If someone walked up to you on the street and you had to make a pitch to them to sell them on doing E, what really good evidence could you give them to make them say " You know what, doing E sounds like a really good idea!! I think Ill do it!".

LOL... Thats easy... Give him 2 pills, tell him to find a cute chick and take it with her and you got a 98% chance to get laid that night.. hehe.

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to: theeyesofdarkness

Dear Layla,

how lovely to read your posts. I found your discourse to be most satisfying to read. I think that maybe i think in a similar way to you.

I have found my life has enriched so much since i began to experience rolling. my first was amazing. I went ot an outdoor doof called awakenings. It was a mission to get there but well worth it. I have made friends with not just other people but also myself.

The best was turning up with the car windows down and lowering the trance volume (be aware I had not pilled to trance at this point) in the car. the road was a long gravel road (we were in the middle of a forest on a property near a national park about 1 and 1/2 hrs north of brisbane australia) and we approached the entry post. with the windows down i heard the doof in the distance. it was addictive and awesome. the acoustics of outdoor arenas is something else as we drove on with the windows down we went around a corner and suddenly like the dawning of the sun we were on a ridge top and looking down across the valley to the long grassy hill (this was all at about 2100 hrs and dark) i could see 25-30 flame stick dancers moving to the music in time. the trees had wonderful light projections and they danced and waved in a very gentle breeze at me. the road also later had a projection on it and was surreal to say the least. Later i popped my first. the people i was with made it special. it was the first time i had met nearly all of them. now i am friends with about 20-30 of them. and these are not the same people that you see rolling in a club... much different. infact i meet them in the most strange places. it is like we are similar and drawn to similar things. (last W/end we had heaps of us together doing a roller blade doof in a rink ... that also was super kewl but thats another storey).

any how on my first i was luved up to distraction to say the least. i experienced the tangible pleasure of trance for extended periods of time when before i had only know such things for tracks or segments of songs. i was physically close and feeling safe like i had never known with strangers (many of them are much closer now). in retrospect i believe it gave me a vision of how i would like to live my life... and with every day i grow closer to this. ohhh the dancing and the movement.


the simple pleasure of during daylight going for a walk and seeing the colour... the sound... the taste of the air... the bush is amazing.

it piquets every sense and amplifies the natural beauty.

whoops ididn't mean to rabbit on like this but i guess that this has been a keystone life experience for me.

thanks layla for sharing some of yours... i felt a connnection when i read your words. i just wish that you could be here for fri the 21 of june with the winter solstice doof. the people are what keeps it and makes it and the people are going to be there in force on that night.

if you do find yourself by pure miracle and chance in brisbane next week lemme know and you should come along.

i guess do with life what you will... but take every moment for what it is and make of it what you can. live your life... i love mine and know that i try to be a bubbleing crucible of goodness for those around me like they seem to be for me.

Plus i love your salute,
peace and be safe from me too, love jc.

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Ohh yeah i think quite frequently aboput not taking drugs. i even think about the people who i may have helped get drugs... i think about how they may not have the same capacity for safe usage or smart thinking about themselves so they dont get all phuqed up. in fact i do lots of thinking.

i know exactly how people feel when they say the pills dont work any more. and that maybe you dont need them to be at one with the music.

i also know that i am exceedingly fortunate to be still able to have my experience enriched. i am sorry if you do not have the same gift in life. but life was never meant to be easy. you cannot truly appreciate what you have until it is gone. one more pill make the experience no better just the side effects worse.

hmmm maybe i should reconsider submitting to the computer haiku thread like this has got me thinking...

be safe. i apologise to any one in whom i may have caused annoynace by not really having a point of view or for 'wasting' space sharing some of the riches of my life experience. and yes i have been a quitter too. infact i was a quitter before i started.

but still... the world is an amazing place

ftw & atb, jc

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