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Originally posted by starboy And, yesterdays vote on the recovery bill illistrates how little the republican party wants to work with our new president and fix the economy. All 178 house repubs voted NO on the bill after numerous meetings and bipartisan efforts by mr. obama in the last week, that was a huge slap in the face. The stimulus plan was even watered down with tax cuts to make republicans happy.

So nice of the democrats to "water down" the stimulus by giving the tax payers a break. I can only hope this stimulus fails in the senate, all it is doing is putting the country MORE In debt. The economy is not going to be fixed with an increase in Pell Grants and Fixing the Electricity Grids. Thats fine if you want to increase spending on education and infrastructure, but do it when the time is appropriate, during the congressional meetings, not in an emergency stimulus package.

This is full of Pork and the republicans are not standing for it. We are in great need of a stimulus package that attacks the cause of our economic hardship which is the bad mortgages and lack of credit. I dont see anything changing with this 800 billion, how many more of these need to be drafted before we get one right. The last one didnt do shit, and we havent learned anything.

I just hope you're wrong Josh, well the houses have approved the $819B stimulus fund, we can only hope that this is for the better... the way I see it, when people pay less tax, they are 'willing' to spend more.. when they spend more, the cash will once again be flowing in our economy, which could prevent businesses from going bankrupt/laying off employees... I hope the stimulus fund will indirectly create more jobs in the market.

But then again, only $250B will be going to the tax, and the rest to infrastructure like you said. Let's just hope Obama knows what he's doing

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Another defense of Obama refrenced to Bush. I dont get it. You try to make Obama look good by comparing him to a complete fail. Is that the standard of our presidency these days?

In a way, yes (sadly). He lowered the bar and there is always a comparison with the last president as this has the most relevance (if you go back further in time, the farther away you get from current relating issues similar positions etc.). While it's not, and should not be the only way, it is still crucially relevant.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen And no, he doesnt have experience in the politcal world. He has a term in the Senate of which he hardly even voted, because he was busy with a campaign. Not that I am sold that Obama will fail, but your reference to his scholarly accomplishments does not neccessarily cement his politcal success. A charismatic lawyer does not always equal a good president.

Scholarly accomplishments are one way to measure sucess and a contributing factor to judging someones overall achievements. Now the fact that he became a senator - that's no small feat by itself. Only a few hundred people per generation achieve this political goal in the US, let alone someone from a minority. Now the fact that he beat clinton through political means (no small undertaking) and destroyed the GOP in campaign (and lets face it, they threw everything they had at it) is a true political achievement. He beat other very skilled politicians at their own game.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen And to be fair, at least myself, was refering to Obama not doing anything in terms of Politics PRIOR to his election. I agree he has been busy since Jan 20th. and I think he is doing a great job thus far. However, I would refrain from praise for acts like closing Gitmo. He has no plan for any of the detainees, or what do with the whole camp. Its just a symbolic act. The camp isnt going anywhere anytime soon. I applaud him for going on arab t.v. but I assure you the middle east still hates the jews, and they hate us just as much for backing them up and selling them weapons.

I don't think he's the messiah or even the cure to the problems the US faces, just that he brings a refreshing intelligence to politics and that he has demonstrated (so far) great leadership and an open view to changing the problems. With Gitmo, he can;t win. He had to close it as it was wrong however you look at it and send a message of a change in policy, but I think it's BS to critisize him for immediately sorting the detainee issue. He's got a year to figure it out and I still believe it was the right thing to do.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen We are in great need of a stimulus package that attacks the cause of our economic hardship which is the bad mortgages and lack of credit.

That's what the other half of TARP is for (350billion) obama and treasury sec. Tim geitner are using it to free up credit etc, basically what bush failed to do with the other half when he passed it.

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The last one didnt do shit, and we havent learned anything

You meen the last one where everyone got free money from bush, single largest act of socialism in history. Did you really think that was gonna work? this bill is nothing like it.

Here it is now, but i'm sure it will change before it reaches senate.

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I appreciate that you guys are discussing these matters in a more mature fashion NOW than before, ie libtards and pinheads...

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. If color is what you mean, then it's because he's green, and not because he's half white. You are shamed. But it's what I would've expected from you and your lot like R!ch, thrax and starboy.

If this kid is old enough to vote... then I feel bad. Real bad. And if this is what our generation has to look forward to, than we are F***ed with a capital F. Maybe the voting age should be raised to at least 25...since these days I think we tend to mature a little more slowly. :P

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I get your point - that's why I haven't had much sympathy for all those people who bought houses they never could afford, but comparing what Bush HAS ACTUALLY DONE, to a news article speculating various different incentives to jump start the American car industry in not correct. Also, trying to get people to buy cars is not a bad thing - one thing hurting the global economy (as any economist will tell you) is consumer confidence - without it, people don't buy, meaning companies don;t make money, so those same people loose their jobs. Offering someone a tax incentive to buy an American made car, eases pressure on people who need to buys cars and could in theory at least, keep people in the car industry in work. It would seem to be more effective than just giving the money to one of the car companies so they can loose it as their share price keeps plummeting due to lack of sales or spend it on private jet travel. I'm not saying this is the solution - the article gives several possibilities but what happened during Bush - what was Promoted and lobbied and made law under Bush had severely contributed to the mess were in now. My brother in Law in the UK, just went to get a loan from the bank to buy a car. UK interest are at 1.5% - the lowest in history. He has good credit too. The lowest rate he could get off any bank (inlcuding his usual bank) was an interest rate of 25%. Until the bank stop hoarding the money and stop being greedy (not to mention investing incredibly stupidly (madoff)) the business economy will not tuen around. Obama, if he needs to do anything, needs to force them in to action and trading with each again. Josh - you voted for Nader? jesus christ. What did you just want to spite both parties (including yourself)?. Just joking - your vote is your vote but I just don't understand what a vote for someone who has zero chance (every election) is for anyone?

The tax incentive part of the article is OK, but again why would you want to spend tax money to boost the auto industry? Auto industry lobby perhaps? The second part of the article is actually bad. Getting a voucher to get a new car and demolish your old car? Come on now, so you want to destroy the used car sales market just for the new car sales market's sake? So you will be throwing away something valuable and in return the government is spending tax money (call it a deadweight loss). How will people be able to afford used cars if all the old cars will be demolished? Supply and demand will raise prices for used cars. Then the argument for the fact that demolishing old cars will help save the environment by consuming less gas. Oh yeah, how about what will you do with the destroyed cars, recycle them? I guess people haven't learned to stop creating market bubbles and now it sounds like they are to start creating a car bubble.

Simply said, if you cannot afford it DON'T BUY IT. Confidence was destroyed by firms (mostly financials) and the government, and now you want the citizens to repair it?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN By the way he's half black, did you ever think of that? No. and your omission of that fact is exactly why I brought it up in the first place - The only reason Obama did not win by more of a margin was race, .... as Obabma won on nearly every front from the economy, to education, to healthcare, etc. so the only reason he didn't win by far more was race.

Your screed of hysterics is shaping you to perfectly becoming a bigger libtard, even for your stature. Since you are so bent on injecting "race" as an issue here; it is glaringly obvious that YOU are a racist. This isn't about him being half white, but about his absurd spending bill that isn't good for America. Your boy was even quoted the other day for "worrying" about his legacy being synonymously themed by our current economy. A week into this and he's "worrying" about his legacy. You see, this bill is all about a huge expansion of government, advancing his socialistic (near Marxist) agenda's and he himself.

Free market Capitalism works. Individual responsibility works. Socialism fails everytime it's tried. Aren't you even paying attention to your homeland and her nieghbors: France and Germany?

Moreover, reycling conspiratorial, propagandistic, rehashed talking points from radical websites or from the mouths of your heroes like Moore, Soros, Franken and Mahr or trashing Bush some more will do nothing to change that your guy, his intents of redistribution, and socialism will fail again over and over and over. DJ rann and R!ch have been OWNED again absolutely.

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Originally posted by T.A.S.D. Your screed of hysterics is shaping you to perfectly becoming a bigger libtard, even for your stature. Since you are so bent on injecting "race" as an issue here; it is glaringly obvious that YOU are a racist. This isn't about him being half white, but about his absurd spending bill that isn't good for America. Your boy was even quoted the other day for "worrying" about his legacy being synonymously themed by our current economy. A week into this and he's "worrying" about his legacy. You see, this bill is all about a huge expansion of government, advancing his socialistic (near Marxist) agenda's and he himself. Free market Capitalism works. Individual responsibility works. Socialism fails everytime it's tried. Aren't you even paying attention to your homeland and her nieghbors: France and Germany? Moreover, reycling conspiratorial, propagandistic, rehashed talking points from radical websites or from the mouths of your heroes like Moore, Soros, Franken and Mahr or trashing Bush some more will do nothing to change that your guy, his intents of redistribution, and socialism will fail again over and over and over. DJ rann and R!ch have been OWNED again absolutely.

The 2008 election was, thankfully, a sweeping rejection of all your neo-con rabmblings put forth so un eloquently in this golden post right here.

You're gonna be one angry limbaugh nut swinger for the next eight years, good luck with that.

'Palin/Plumber 2012!!

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only ONE way to boost this economy... BEATPORT.

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Originally posted by theSEAN only ONE way to boost this economy... BEATPORT.

ahaha, except I'm not sure how I dig the new interface...

oops excuse me I spelled the presidents name wrong. That Brock Obama is a moran.