People don't keep a cache of action figures or stamps buried beneath their house maintained with the sole purpose of staving off the Government when the time comes though.

And of course boys are excited around weaponry - they are often born and raised to fight and die. Expendability is a primary biological function of males.

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Originally posted by Aortik People don't keep a cache of action figures or stamps buried beneath their house maintained with the sole purpose of staving off the Government when the time comes though.

Yeah, there you are, assuming that EVERY SINGLE collector is a crazy anti-government nut, burying weapons "with the sole purpose of staving off the Government"

Keep playing with you Straw Man

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Originally posted by Orbital32 I saw my mother get shot in the head and die right in front of me. I don't blame the gun. I blame the person. Killing somebody or seeing somebody die is not what i call "cool".

that sucks man....but guns facilitate the easy killing of other people because when you shoot someone from 200 feet away you are disconnected from the death. Death by stabbing is much more intimate.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ...the next day, jerz took out an entire floor of tax attorneys.

...with my brazilian jiu jitsu and grappling skills.

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Originally posted by Orbital32 We cannot do that here, due to the second amendment. It part of our bill of rights that the people are allowed to own personal firearms. The chances of that overturned anytime in the near future is VERY VERY VERY slim. Of course there are people who lose those rights, say for example felons. I say this not because "GUNS...HELL YEAH" type of attitude, but because in reality the U.S. banning all guns will not happen. The strictest enforcement that i can see is this: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

That's not exactly what it says. Aside from the whole militia prefacing which the conservative supreme court in DC v Heller conveniently disregarded with BS comments, the 2nd amendment actually says "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed [by the federal government]." As of right now, states are NOT prohibited from banning gun ownership. Not too many states are likely to take that direct challenge to the court, but states like NJ, Cali, and NY are likely to push the envelope so far that gun ownership will become almost impossible. And, even though DC v Heller doesn't apply to states (because DC, obviously, is not a state but rather it is the federal government), Justice Scalia left the door wide open for states to prohibit gun ownership with broad language in which he confirms the practice as proper.

It gets more complicated than that because of the Fourteenth Amendment, though, since it provides equal protection of basic rights for all U.S. citizens regardless of what the states want to do. Ever since the Civil War the trend has been for state power to decrease at the expense of federal power.

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Originally posted by nchs09 guns are dumb.

we have 9 guns in our house... and should be getting 12 more in a few months.

//edit don't ask me what kind, I don't know... it's my bf that collects them

Anti-gun person here. I also am one of the camp that believes that the second amendment is outdated and completely unnecessary, seeing as we're a bit past militias at this point.

That said, I always see the argument for guns reflected in the prisoner's dillema, in that people acting in their own self interest (private ownership of guns for non-military/hunting purposes) end up causing a net loss to society, whereas people acting what would seem contrary to personal interest and not owning guns, if everyone did it, would indeed provide a greater benefit to society.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It gets more complicated than that because of the Fourteenth Amendment, though, since it provides equal protection of basic rights for all U.S. citizens regardless of what the states want to do. Ever since the Civil War the trend has been for state power to decrease at the expense of federal power.

no court has ever held that the 2nd amendement applies to states through the 14th amendement. The first through ninth amendments (excluding the second amendment), however, have been held applicable to states through the 14th amendment.

Jerz... you just gave me the new sig I was looking for.