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Originally posted by david.michael I think he meant to say "hardware is no free pass to success".

Oops you are right

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Ah well never mind that post then hehe.

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Originally posted by Storyteller With so many people working (and releasing music made) in the box only I think it's been proven that you don't need hardware at all. And hardware doesn't necessarily make it easier unless it fits in your workflow. I owned a couple of hardware synths between 2002 and now and got rid of most of them because at the time it was hard to integrate them in the in-the-box workflow, which is way easier now. However you stil need to be able to work differently to actually have any benifit from hardware.

So true.....

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Of course they just sound different. If you want a specific sound from a piece of gear then buy that, but don't get into the whole hardware sounds better than software argument. Especially if you're going to be comparing hardware VA synths to softsynths. They're both digital synths either way so it really doesn't matter. I love software for the options and capabilities it gives me for the price, and I love some hardware because I can't get that specific sound any other way.

I use an Xbase888 for the meat of my music, but that doesn't mean I won't touch Ultrabeat because I love that too, but I find myself going to the Jomox first always. I just can't get that sound anywhere else. Do I think it sounds better than the Ultrabeat? No, but I do know it sounds different, and I do prefer that sound.

Same with my guitars. I almost always record using a cranked up 5 watt class A amplifier on a cabinet, but that doesn't mean I won't record directly into the DAW and use something like Guitar Rig.

Use both.

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Originally posted by Zild Of course they just sound different. If you want a specific sound from a piece of gear then buy that, but don't get into the whole hardware sounds better than software argument. I use an Xbase888 for the meat of my music, but that doesn't mean I won't touch Ultrabeat because I love that too, but I find myself going to the Jomox first always. I just can't get that sound anywhere else. Do I think it sounds better than the Ultrabeat? No, but I do know it sounds different, and I do prefer that sound. Use both.

My thoughts exactly. The JOMOX has an exceptional signature sound, not found in SW. Better? NO,Different? YES...

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Another question, what do you guys think of analoque summing like the NEVE 8816?

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Originally posted by Raphie Another questions, what do you guys think of analoque summing like the NEVE 8816?

I've never heard a side by side comparison of "in the box" mix versus analog summing mix.

Ok great.. so we've reached a final opinion.

Hardware really IS better,

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Another question, what do you guys think of analoque summing like the NEVE 8816

Summing is very subjective. It makes only a small difference when using a summing mixer from what i have listened to. The difference is huge though when you use an outboard analogue console with outboard equipment and mix completely out of the box. The sound is very different to mixing in software.

Stuff like the thermionic fat bustard sounds interesting as you can dial in harmonics and add balls to certain elements etc. Very expensive though!

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Originally posted by Storyteller With so many people working (and releasing music made) in the box only I think it's been proven that you don't need hardware at all. And hardware doesn't necessarily make it easier unless it fits in your workflow. I owned a couple of hardware synths between 2002 and now and got rid of most of them because at the time it was hard to integrate them in the in-the-box workflow, which is way easier now. However you stil need to be able to work differently to actually have any benifit from hardware.

Yes, and there has been a inverse relationship between the rise in software/ITB production and the quality of music being put out. So where are we going if music that is produced ITB is getting signed, when it sounds terrible? I think the future, the most prosperous future for music production is a hybrid setup of software and hardware.

So, yes ITB setups have been used to make a lot of the music we listen, but the quality has gone down drastically and the amount of cheaply produced music, the amount of poorly run labels, and the amount of excess waste in general in all genres of music has gone up because of ITB production. I can't do what I do without the functionality of a computer, but I know if I want to have the best sound possible and create the best quality music, I need to incorporate analogue synths and outboard to my ITB setup. Hopefully in the next 5 years the music industry starts to tighten up their belts and step back towards hardware setups or at the very least a hybrid setup. Personally that's where i'm headed.

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Kimset7, you never answered my question...

What analog synths have you used or what are you favourites? name 5+

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Yes, and there has been a inverse relationship between the rise in software/ITB production and the quality of music being put out.

It's not about what the producers are using. It's just as easy to make a shitty, boring, talentless track with hardware synths.

The drop in quality has happened because the quality filters for a release are so much lower because labels don't have to press a track to vinyl to put it out anymore. Vinyl is an investment. A digital release really isn't. Labels know that and treat digital releases accordingly by lowering their standards. Or in many cases producers who get rejected by a bunch of labels simply start their own digital labels and release stuff that never would have seen the light of day ten years ago, which is why we have mountains and mountains of crap on the market today.

This is never going to change now, so people need to quit complaining about it...