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MrJiveBoJingles
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Spectrum.

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evo8
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dont think anyone has posted a Surge yet - bit harsher than the virus

surge


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kitphillips
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So can we get some opinions from people now about whether a virus neccesarily sounds better?

Having listened to the best that software can do, what do people think about the quality of each?


PS
I'd still like to get some Nord/moog/andromeda/prophet 08 samples up there...


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Raphie
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quote:
Originally posted by EgosXII
wow, glad i'm getting a virus


Don't agree, it's the overall result that counts.
SW vs HW, you try your any VSTi with any VST delay you like, I'm not picky. My opinion is still being confirmed, VSTi's STILL sound thin and harsh, not dense and warm.... blame the FX, blame the VSTi, there is still no 100% VSTi replacement for outboard....


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thecYrus
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quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles


Okay, here are seven files, each with a different soft-synth doing the Deadmau5 riff:

Korg Mono-Poly VST: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/mono-poly-vst.mp3
Korg PolySix VST: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/polysixVST-2.mp3
Korg MS-20 VST: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/ms-20vst.mp3
impOSCar: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/impOSCar.mp3
Vanguard: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/vanguard.mp3
Pro-53: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/pro-53.mp3
Massive: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/massive.mp3

A couple of the files have clicks or pops, so please excuse that. I re-did the envelope on the PolySix demo. The Vanguard clip has a bit much detuning. I don't think impOSCar is suited that well for this task, but I used it anyway because it's one of my favorite synths.



I think my personal favorite out of these might be the MS-20, really smooth at the bottom and gritty at the top. I also like the sound of the Mono-Poly. You can judge for yourselves, though.


to add to the fun. why not freeware?

Deadmau5

Sorry, it's not the same melody but i made this sometime ago with synth1

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evo8
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
Don't agree, it's the overall result that counts.
SW vs HW, you try your any VSTi with any VST delay you like, I'm not picky. My opinion is still being confirmed, VSTi's STILL sound thin and harsh, not dense and warm.... blame the FX, blame the VSTi, there is still no 100% VSTi replacement for outboard....


i think that if someone posted a sound file from a virus, and said it was from a softsynth, you would still say it sounded "thin and harsh"


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david.michael
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quote:
Originally posted by thecYrus
to add to the fun. why not freeware?

Deadmau5

Sorry, it's not the same melody but i made this sometime ago with synth1


That sounds fantastic! Amazing that Synth1 is freeware.

JBJ, that MS-20 clip sounds great as well.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by evo8
i think that if someone posted a sound file from a virus, and said it was from a softsynth, you would still say it sounded "thin and harsh"

LOL. Somebody already said that about the Virus, basically. After a second Virus clip was posted, Robby Rox said:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Why does that sound different than the original virus patch posted by subtle?

That sounds like z3ta or sylenth..



Just get over it, guys.

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Beyer
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Andromeda
Using the 24db/oct filter
This has no stereo spread on the detune, since the andy has no such.

Rendered 24 bit file, by mistake.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
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Andromeda
Using the 24db/oct filter
This has no stereo spread on the detune, since the andy has no such.

Rendered 24 bit file, by mistake.

Sounds good.

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DJSolo
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quote:
Originally posted by thecYrus
to add to the fun. why not freeware?

Deadmau5

Sorry, it's not the same melody but i made this sometime ago with synth1

Sounds really good. Would you mind sharing the preset or midi file? Thanks.

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deadmau5
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had a listen to a few... pretty cool.

my take on the whole thing (at least for the producitons in question) were paired saws (about .2 ish semitones apart) and a single osc panned in the center with no detune but should be a tad louder than the panned osc's, reason for that is to keep equal tunning to the rest of the tuned elements in the track without cutting through the mix so much)


then pass that shiat through a verb, more or less washes it out a bit... bit of a decay, but nothing overly wet, about 20/80...... then a tempo synced delay with a crossover around the mids+ and time the tempo delay to the note retriggers... and for yup, more space, offset the delay by 2 milliseconds or so to make yourself a faux layer for justa tad more stereo depth (when using a stereo delay that is)

lastly, i tend to stay away from resonation in general... with analogue gear its almost always a bit dodgy on the keytracking, and with software it always tends to color the sound too much for my likking before it gets to an EQ on it's respective bus.

and lastly, i'd always level out the cutoff env's min and max levels before automating and going to town for a consistent sound in either a build / break. i never considered using a volume env (with the exception of a release time) but the "punchiness" comes from a cutoff envelope of sorts, (which is more pronounced after a bit of say 8:1 compression with a fast attack and 20ms or so release.


not sure what else i can offer in respect to that "saw stabby whatever" sound. But that was my approach on the whole sound.


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