A DAW some guy whipped up in his spare time is the last thing you want to use.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Lol those quotes of mine are jokes. "The general idea is, I think most of you are full of shit and don't know/understand linux" How do you not see that is a joke? Its leaning on this idea people have on the internet of right and wrong. Same with this one: "Its the internet, you guys are wrong, get used to it" I see that and I lol. Because it sounds like your typical eNerd who is in an argument he is not winning. Though in retrospect, I could see how one would not see the humor in them. If a person thought everything else I said was wrong those statements could be seen as serious come backs from me.

"Those are jokes.......How do you not see those are jokes?....I could see how one would not see humor in them".

You're just confusing the shit out of me now and proving my point that you don't really consider what you're writing or may have just written, before posting again.

I do get what you're saying though - the only thing is, that when you're the only person that understands it's a joke or you're the only one laughing, the jokes on you. No one else will get it.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Most of the time when people see these posts as confrontational, are times when i'm not serious. Take my recent posts to palm for example. those are serious posts, nothing in them speaks of confrontation. As for windows being hard to break, compared to Linux it is hard. You can kill Linux in one command, a command you could easily mistake and type in. Windows requires at least a minuscule amount of effort.

Yes, I've seen you post "serious" posts, but some of them are so off base and I can't help thinking that you take that particular standpoint just to argue, because they often go against the proven, tried tested and established logic. Not saying you can't have have your own opinion at all, but at least they have to make sense.

For instance, you can't honestly suggest that an OS which has the single most limited support currently for music production, and is constantly eveolving becuase it;s written in people's spare/hobby time is the best choice for serious EDM producers? But yes, that's exactly what you're saying. It may have cool features and it is a bloody interesting subject for some form of discussion, but come on, I've never met a serous producer in over a decade in this industry that would do anything other than toy with the idea for a breif period before going back to win/mac.

Listen to yourself first before you post.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I think Ive had enough attention, how about we talk about bit-rates again? Here is an easy question, What is bit-rate?

Well, if you've been reading the discussion in this very thread....

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Originally posted by DigiNut Being a little pedantic here, but "bit rate" is a bandwidth measurement in bits per second (or more typically kbps) and is generally a combination of the bit depth and sampling rate. What you're really referring to here is bit depth, which is bits per sample, or the word size used to express amplitude of the signal. I've seen some replies using the correct term but thought I should mention this for the sake of everyone else.

dj rann you need to shutup

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Originally posted by cronodevir The only time people act like an asshole is when you get Linux and complain to them that it doesn't act like windows.

That could be used to describe any valid complaint. Windows usually "acts" the right way: not making people think.

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Originally posted by Beatflux A DAW some guy whipped up in his spare time is the last thing you want to use.

Exactly. No incentive and no accountability. The free software model only works (quasi-)reliably for software that a very large number of programmers would want to use.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd dj rann you need to shutup

Not you again

FLStudio is coded by two guys in their spare time.


I never said Linux was a better choice for EDM than Windows, I simply said its a very valid choice. Id go so far as to say Mac and Linux are on the same level in terms of ability to make music on them.

Though for anyone who does actually care about their computer and uses it alot and likes to maintain everything, id say Linux is the best choice. Malware is little to none, support is generally high, and compatibility doubles every year. Looking at Windows history, its only gotten worse in the last 10 years. Vista is by most peoples account the worst operating system ever made, even good ole bill gates admitted that. As for Mac, Ive never heard a good thing about Mac. [no exaggeration]

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Originally posted by DigiNut That could be used to describe any valid complaint. Windows usually "acts" the right way: not making people think.

So basically your saying Linux needs to be idiot friendly before it will be a real option? then Linux will probably never be an option, because most are opposed to the idea of making it idiot friendly. Ubuntu is looked down upon for this very reason. Making things easy.

Free software model works better than the proprietary model. Simply because the users have say and control in the direction of the software. Id rather change how I do things a little, then be bound and controlled by one single commercial entity, having to bow down to their will and wishes and direction. This is the inherent problem with all video game consoles, you have no control over what content and options you have. Besides all that, many major companies are starting to put their software into the open source market 3 to 5 years after they have released it because they see the benefit in it. Take iD software for example. And futher more, when one codes software because they want to and not because its their job, quality is ensured. The people who code Cubase for instance, could probably give to fucks about quality [Cubase 4] they just want their paycheck. And of course you have vendor lock in. Which causes all sorts of problems. You use a product that uses its own format, then later down the line that product is discontinued, so is all the work you did with that product. And with vendor lock in, you set yourself up to be ripped off my companies, because now they have control over your work flow, they will release updates and such all at major cost. And companies can and do change formats when ever they want which causes previous documents in the older format to become broken or obsolete.

You really prefer all that?

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Originally posted by cronodevir FLStudio is coded by two guys in their spare time.

That would explain why it doesn't support multiple cores. It makes my processor sad at the thought of not living up to its full potential!

Here's what Bob Katz has to say:

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So, the first rule in choosing a DAW is to be skeptical over the newcomers. Be wary of the one-year old company producing DAWs. In order for a one-year-old company to have the requisite five man-years of software development, they would need at least five very talented and coordinated DSP engineers. Coordinated, because during program development five people can easily get in each other's way; this can cause far more bugs (and missing features) than one software engineer working by himself for five years. In the case of software development, five times one does not always equal 5. So the one-year-old (or two-year old, or five-year old) company better be well-managed, with software engineers lured (or stolen) from their nearest competitors, excellent business capital (to survive those lean years and still be around to support the product you invested in), and lots of talent. But talent does not guarantee good product. Company management must be quality-oriented. When a large corporation wanted to get into the DAW market, very fast, they hired a crew of talented DSP engineers, but management cut corners in software development, in order to bring out the product in a year or so, and make dollars fast. Needless to say, that company's DAW division has made a rough start. Learn everything you can about the company whose products you are about to invest in. A company which has been around five years and has a strong presence in the marketplace has a good potential of surviving. But maybe five years is not enough. A while back, a certain DAW manufacturer that had been around for five years was bought out by a large conglomerate, which soon decided to get out of the DAW market. Overnight, thousands of loyal users became owners of a white elephant. That's why I like 10-year-old companies even better.... Besides the obvious questions about development capital and financial stability, here are some other important technical questions you should ask before buying. Talk to the users (all ten of them?). How satisfied are they with the product, its performance, its potential, and most of all, its sound? Be very wise-don't rely on the company's "feature-promises". Don't expect the new ones to arrive as fast as the company predicts. All software manufacturers miss their deadlines and leave announced features out of their products. If leaping to conclusions were an Olympic event, software marketing directors would get gold medals every time. So if the product does not have the features you want today, don't buy it on the basis of "real soon now".

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Subtle It is the highest for download portals, and the highest for the whole mp3 standard as we know it. (Yes, then there is the MP3 HD format, i know. ) Do they ? that is good for them, cause i dont think i know a single soul who listens to wave files without it being from a released CD.

The "LAME" mp3 encoder which is the standard one can do up to 640kbps with some messing around(for instance audacity can't afaik wheras adobe audition can). Anything capable of playign mp3s should also support up to that bitrate. However, hardly anyone bothers, I've never actually seen a 640kbps mp3 anywhere, or mentioned. There's also the fact that if people can't tell the difference between wav and 320kbps mp3 they aren't going to be able to tell the difference between 320 and 640kbps mp3.

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Originally posted by Beatflux A DAW some guy whipped up in his spare time is the last thing you want to use.

have you tried reaper ?

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Originally posted by RichieV have you tried reaper ?

Read my post above.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.