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Originally posted by Sushipunk For what reason though? If they have a stable relationship, in a stable home, where both parents love and care for the child, why would it any different?

I just think children need to have strong female and male role models in their life, so they get a balanced perspective. I think this establishes a large part of their identity.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against gays adopting, but I am not for it either. I am pretty much on the fence. The topic of gay adoption also gets blown out of proportion. Most people don't realise how many straight single parents get turned down by adoption agencies. My point isn't that same sex parents are BAD. My point is that I don't think it is an ideal circumstance. That said, there are a lot of shit straight parents out there, who would be put to shame by same sex couples. This is why I am on the fence.

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Originally posted by echosystm I just think children need to have strong female and male role models in their life, so they get a balanced perspective. I think this establishes a large part of their identity.

My parents divorced when I was very young, so I was raised by my mum, and hardly ever saw my dad. None the less, I would consider myself to have quite a balanced perspective on things, and I have never had any identities with my 'identity', as you put it. Am I an exception to some kind of rule?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk My parents divorced when I was very young, so I was raised by my mum, and hardly ever saw my dad. None the less, I would consider myself to have quite a balanced perspective on things, and I have never had any identities with my 'identity', as you put it. Am I an exception to some kind of rule?

We'll be the judge of whether you turned out "balanced" or not.
























































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Originally posted by Domesticated We'll be the judge of whether you turned out "balanced" or not. Not.

Well, I did say that I consider myself balanced Fuck the rest of you

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Well, I did say that I consider myself balanced

Yeah, well, good for you. The birds would say differently if they could talk.

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Originally posted by bas This is where the error lies. The majority of gays aren't "glorifying" anything. They just want to be treated equally. It's people like you that think gays want to be treated in some special way that causes problems.

Now I remember why I like you.. [jokes-loveyouandyourdisco]

I cannot stand when people say homos are glorifying shit. This fight has been fought in the US so many times its pathetic. Women, Black People, Immigrants and now homos. Why does everyone think its such a new battle? Old battle. New face.

stfu and give us our shit and we'll go back to spreading aids like we're supposed to.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Yeah, well, good for you. The birds would say differently if they could talk.

Oh, but they can't

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear it is almost inevitable when a kid grows up with two gay dads, for christ's sake!!

No it's not. By your logic, shouldn't it then be "almost inevitable" for children with two heterosexual parents to grow up and be heterosexual? The children will be whatever they grow up to be. You sit there and preach about how you're accepting of the concept of homosexuality and that what they do in their own home doesn't matter to you (which, in all honesty, I have to give you some points for). Why, then, do you have a problem with a child possibly being homosexual? After all, you said you didn't have a problem with that, correct?

In addition, there is absolutely no proof that homosexual parents will prompt their children to be homosexual. I know two same-sex couples and quite honestly they've proven to be far more mature, knowledgeable, understanding and accepting than any heterosexual couple I've ever met (especially yourself). They're teaching their children that it's okay to be whoever they are; they're not sitting them down and saying, "Luke! Come to the dark side! Be gay!" No, they're sitting them down and saying, "If you're straight, you're straight! We accept that and love that because that's who you are. If you're gay, you're gay! We accept that and love that because that's who you are. Be yourself and nobody else."

There's no "master plan" to brainwash children into being homosexuals. Though, if you have no problem with homosexuals, then why on Earth would you even consider this an issue?



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Originally posted by bas This is where the error lies. The majority of gays aren't "glorifying" anything. They just want to be treated equally. It's people like you that think gays want to be treated in some special way that causes problems.

God bless you. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Nicely put Jake.

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear And you fucking deny that same-sex attraction is an ABNORMALITY, a DEVIATION (a PATHOLOGY, be it genetic or acquired) from the way nature meant it to be. Nobody says it's wrong to be gay. There's nothing you can do with it if you become gay anyway. If I were gay, I'd be gay. Simple as that. But IT IS NOT a normal state and SHOULD NOT be artificially spread like some sort of upgrade/advantage for a human being. I don't honestly care about you fucking each other up the bum, but I DO CARE for the children who are born normal (cause being straight IS a normal state of a human being) and ARTIFICIALLY deformed by their gay "parents" in the course of being brought up (it is almost inevitable when a kid grows up with two gay dads, for christ's sake!!).

While I certainly don't think you're obliged to "glorify" homosexuality, it seems to me that there are some rather sweeping factual claims here that may be misleading.

Whether homosexuality is abnormal probably depends on how you define "normal." It certainly manifests in a minority of individuals, but the prevalence of homosexual behavior among other species suggests that it is entirely normal for species to include homosexual individuals.

The sheer number of species in which homosexuality exists suggests that the existence of a limited number of homosexual individuals may in some way be a net gain for a species as a whole. However, it's also entirely possible that it's a spandrel, with closely related genes conferring an evolutionary benefit that outweighs the fairly incidence of homosexuality. The evidence tends to point in different directions. Studies have indicated that female relatives of homosexual men tend to produce more offspring, which could indicate that homosexuality has some adaptive benefit at the population level (perhaps because the same genes that may tend to cause homosexuality in males confer a benefit on females in the same family.)

The truth is that we still have a lot to learn about the causes of homosexuality, both at the individual and population level. In the meantime, though, conclusory statements about it being a "pathology" strike me as premature, at best.

I'm more troubled, though, by the suggestion that it's "almost inevitable" a "normal" child would be "deformed" if raised by a homosexual couple. This is the kind of sweeping claim that begs for evidence, yet it finds no support in the evidence. There's little, if any, evidence that the adoptive parents' sexual orientation has even the slightest effect on the likelihood that the child will be homosexual and certainly no evidence that this effect will rise to the level of near inevitability. Of course, empirical efforts to measure this phenomenon are hampered in several important respects, so it would be wrong to rule out the possibility of some small effect. However, a near inevitability would be easily noticed if it in fact existed, and (surprise!) it apparently does not. Considering the strong evidence of a genetic component and the evidence that sexual orientation is influenced by gestational factors, we really wouldn't expect homosexual parents to have much influence. And the data tends to support the inference that they do not affect the sexual orientation of the children they adopt -- although, of course, it would be inaccurate to claim that the possibility of some relatively minor influence has been disproved.

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fag.

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