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Originally posted by Subtle Sylenth sounds identical to a Virus in its raw waveforms, but when you start adding effects, modulation, envelopes and all that it becomes clear which is the best sounding. What im trying to say here is that comparing waveforms doesnt give the whole picture. If you take the phatty for example, there is no way a softsynth will have such a great sounding filter, glide, sync, LFO, envelopes etc. even though the waveform itself may not differ that much. Its how everything comes together in the end that counts, and the Phatty really shines in every aspect. I would expect the Voyager even more.

I didn't compare just the raw waveforms. I compared how the OSCs interacted with each other, both with and without unison, and how well the filters subtract frequencies. LFOs don't really add any sound but the fact that the Andy has three for each voice and the Jupiter 8v has only two LFOs for all voices means the Jupiter 8v definitely lacks capability compared to the Andromeda. I didn't post any samples of the OSCs syncing, but I didn't notice any issues there. Glide sounded fine, as well.

BUT... the envelopes is where Arturia tended to shit the bed. The envelopes sounded pretty good, but could have been better.

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Last edited by alanzo on Aug-10-2009 at 19:39

i'm on the lookout for a analogue rack synth or the andromeda A6 after i sell my ultralite MK1 and then buy a MOTU 828mkII becuase it has optical (toslink out) plus Mk2 and the ultralite is firewire and spdif out and i'm not gonna use a converter

My Voyager is up on eBay now. Partly because of this thread, partly because of what you get for the enormous amount of $$, but mostly because I just don't like its sound. It does what it's meant to very well, obviously.... which is sound like a Moog. That sound just isn't for me, though. It's too 70s. It being a Mono was bugging the hell out of me, too. Way too much $$ for that.

I like the character of the Andromeda and the Pulse much better. And, really, the Voyager isn't amazingly "fat" for what you pay. I was able to get the envelopes on the Andromeda to sound identical to that of the Voyager, the filter sounds VERY similar, and I like the Andy's OSC character much better.

I guess I was just expecting more out of it...

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Also because I like the Pulse better. I can see me using the Pulse for basses wherever I was going to use the Voyager and like it better. I'm also fine with using the Pulse for just basslines since I paid only $340 for it. ALSO, I have a Studio Electronics ATC-1 coming in. It's basically a 1-voice Omega which is, basically, an Andromeda with discrete circuits instead of integrated circuits. Will be fun to compare one voice of the ATC-1 to one voice of the Andromeda.

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I really like the way the Pulse sounds in your demos. I'm hoping to pick one up as my first synth, but they're fairly tough to find.

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Originally posted by alanzo 4. Moog Voyager-- Every synth should sound this good. In a word: "perfect".

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Originally posted by alanzo My Voyager is up on eBay now. ...mostly because I just don't like its sound.

Damn dude, you are the most fickle synth lover on the planet!

Just giving you a hard time. I actually think I went through the exact same experience with every Moog I've owned. I'm sorta enthralled with them for about a week, then they just become 'meh'. In the case of the Voyager, I was exactly the same - when I first plugged it in, I remember thinking to myself "wow - I forgot how great Moogs can sound!" Then after a few days, the sound starting getting a little boring, followed by realizations that it was pretty limited and didn't sound that much better than anything else I owned (including the Mopho, which I actually liked better), followed by the realization that I had more synths than inputs on my soundcard and that pretty limited $1600 investment sitting there was getting the least amount of use, so off to eBay it went. The funny thing is, now that it's gone, I actually kind of miss it.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Damn dude, you are the most fickle synth lover on the planet! Just giving you a hard time. I actually think I went through the exact same experience with every Moog I've owned. I'm sorta enthralled with them for about a week, then they just become 'meh'. In the case of the Voyager, I was exactly the same - when I first plugged it in, I remember thinking to myself "wow - I forgot how great Moogs can sound!" Then after a few days, the sound starting getting a little boring, followed by realizations that it was pretty limited and didn't sound that much better than anything else I owned (including the Mopho, which I actually liked better), followed by the realization that I had more synths than inputs on my soundcard and that pretty limited $1600 investment sitting there was getting the least amount of use, so off to eBay it went. The funny thing is, now that it's gone, I actually kind of miss it.

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Originally posted by alanzo It does what it's meant to very well, obviously.... which is sound like a Moog. That sound just isn't for me, though.

Yeah, what you said sums it up for me. Hopefully I wont miss it, though. I was planning on pretty much using it exclusively for basslines. But once I got the Pulse, I wanted to use it instead.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'm sorta enthralled with them for about a week, then they just become 'meh'. In the case of the Voyager, I was exactly the same - when I first plugged it in, I remember thinking to myself "wow - I forgot how great Moogs can sound!" Then after a few days, the sound starting getting a little boring.

I had this feeling too (Moog Phatty) then a couple of months later i figured out how to use it properly in my tracks, and now it has been used for bassline in 21 of the 22 tracks and remixes i have completed this year.
And a whole bunch of unfinished ones as well.

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I personally havn't heard anything better than the voyager for bass (excluding old vintage synths) The waldorf pulse is good although far from the moog imo. The moog is much deeper, whilst the pulse is very cold, harsh, hard sounding. Maybe you needed to spend more time with the voyager? In other words the pulse and moog sound the exact opposite from one another. About as different as two mono synths can sound.

You will find the ATC has much slower envelopes and sounds much closer to the moog than the pulse. I used to own one. Didn't have all the filters though

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Originally posted by dannib the pulse is very cold, harsh, hard sounding.

That's why I like it. I did compare the two and came to the conclusion that one doesn't sound worse from the other. Just different.

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Originally posted by cryophonik (including the Mopho, which I actually liked better)

I kinda want a Tetra since I'm selling the Voyager. Or even two. It would finally be the multi-timbrel Prophet I wanted ...

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