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Originally posted by Subtle If you have samples that most dont it will give you a good advantage.

bingo you have hit the nail on the head thank you someone has got my point.

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Originally posted by owien well this is where i'm lost and it seems that people dont think it's an issue to use sample packs.

What issue is that ? Ive found samples fitting in my tracks like something i would have never thought of myself, same goes for presets.

Making all sounds from scratch is big task, and is something that IMO should come last in the chain of things do learn.

But you do see why people use them ?

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Originally posted by owien i guess i'm coming across as rude but i just dont get it. it must be that i like to know every track i make is something witch will last and would want people and myself included to play over and over.

I don't think you're coming across as rude, just firm in your opinion and there's nothing wrong with that. I probably half agree with much of what you're saying. But, I think that there's a disconnect between using samples and your last point above. A track can have longevity and a LOT of playtime even though it uses samples (MC Hammer - 'Can't Touch This', anybody?). What makes a track memorable IMO is NOT the tools used to create it, it's the emotional response that it strikes in the listener, and that's a result of having good songwriting skills and the ability to deliver excellent performances (even if the "performance" was written in the piano roll ).

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Originally posted by Subtle What issue is that ? Ive found samples fitting in my tracks like something i would have never thought of myself, same goes for presets. Making all sounds from scratch is big task, and is something that IMO should come last in the chain of things do learn. But you do see why people use them ?

yes because it takes so little time to compleate a tune


Making all sounds from scratch is big task, and is something that IMO should come last in the chain of things do learn.[/QUOTE why last? i meen if you want a big riff in your track then how will you learn to make it?


What issue is that ? Ive found samples fitting in my tracks like something i would have never thought of myself, same goes for presets.[/QUOTE then how will you ever learn to create the sounds you want or need?
if you dont hear it straight away then you use presets right?
or wait untill one fits?

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Originally posted by owien why last? i meen if you want a big riff in your track then how will you learn to make it? then how will you ever learn to create the sounds you want or need? if you dont hear it straight away then you use presets right? or wait untill one fits?

Because i think one should use ANYTHING that will sounds good in your track, whether it be samples, presets, ripping, making own synths or stomping a kickdrum with your foot.

I create loads of sounds, but the point is that i dont limit myself to anything, if i find a loop, sample or preset that sounds good i use it.

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Originally posted by Subtle Because i think one should use ANYTHING that will sounds good in your track, whether it be samples, presets, ripping, making own synths or stomping a kickdrum with your foot. I create loads of sounds, but the point is that i dont limit myself to anything, if i find a loop, sample or preset that sounds good i use it.

fair dues i respect the method you use

Sorry a hi hat is a hi hat whether you use adsr and white noise or a vec pack. I cant stand this guys music that I know because all he does is rip samples and then put beats to them. I would not use for example a sampled bassline or riff but drums? Surely you have to draw the line at drum samples, Owien your telling me you will make better tracks then me or anyone else because i/we use a kick sample and you use a synth I dont believe you for a second.

Answer this what if you were trying to make a track that needed a real hi hat or a real kick drum that has to be recorded?

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Originally posted by owien fair dues i respect the method you use

Your method is fine, but for drums ?
Except for kickdrums i see no reason to create those from scratch whatsoever, when you import a hi hat sample into the sequencer you start adding effects and adjusting length to it and shape it into the mix, same goes with all samples, creating something new out of something else.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Sorry a hi hat is a hi hat whether you use adsr and white noise or a vec pack. I cant stand this guys music that I know because all he does is rip samples and then put beats to them. I would not use for example a sampled bassline or riff but drums? Surely you have to draw the line at drum samples, Owien your telling me you will make better tracks then me or anyone else because i/we use a kick sample and you use a synth I dont believe you for a second. Answer this what if you were trying to make a track that needed a real hi hat or a real kick drum that has to be recorded?

nope because i have my own pre made if i wish to make more intresting perc the i stop and make it.

my time has been largely spent learning a pro daw and making all my own sounds apart from the 909 kick drum i use witch i still spent fucking ages on to make sure it fits with the rest of my productions.

the hole point is in time i would of learnd enough so that i can put ideas in full working tracks knowing its all my own and also knowing i wont have the issue of will it all fit how will it work ect ect.

it just meens at the moment i dont really have many tracks im proud of yet.

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Originally posted by owien nope because i have my own pre made if i wish to make more intresting perc the i stop and make it. my time has been largely spent learning a pro daw and making all my own sounds apart from the 909 kick drum i use witch i still spent fucking ages on to make sure it fits with the rest of my productions. the hole point is in time i would of learnd enough so that i can put ideas in full working tracks knowing its all my own and also knowing i wont have the issue of will it all fit how will it work ect ect. it just meens at the moment i dont really have many tracks im proud of yet.

I think it will take you longer to get tracks you are proud of because you are doing 2 things - trying to write tracks and also you are sound designing.
I realised a while ago that id better leave the sound designing to guys who do exactly that, cos thats what they do and they are bloody good at it, and that i should get on with trying to make tunes. I could spend ages trying to make patches and sounds and probably end up not using a quarter of them.
Thats not to say i use presets all of the time - sometimes you just can find the preset you need and have to design the sound from scratch / edit a preset to my liking

But i appreciate your efforts in doing the whole thing completely, just saying i think it might take you a longer time to get to where u wanna be....

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Originally posted by evo8 I think it will take you longer to get tracks you are proud of because you are doing 2 things - trying to write tracks and also you are sound designing. I realised a while ago that id better leave the sound designing to guys who do exactly that, cos thats what they do and they are bloody good at it, and that i should get on with trying to make tunes. I could spend ages trying to make patches and sounds and probably end up not using a quarter of them. Thats not to say i use presets all of the time - sometimes you just can find the preset you need and have to design the sound from scratch / edit a preset to my liking But i appreciate your efforts in doing the whole thing completely, just saying i think it might take you a longer time to get to where u wanna be....

yes it is taking me longer to make the type of tracks i want to the point where i have allmost given up on it all.

and yes if i wish to make a good track from start to end my way then it can take up to a good month if not longer lol.and sometime not at all but my efforts are just starting to pay off and in the end will show in my work.