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Originally posted by cryophonik b) I don't need to make sure that my work does anything other than please myself (and my collaborators). If someone else doesn't like it or feel that it's high quality, so what?

With that attitude you won't earn the big bucks. The big bucks are the measure of musical worth. ;-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The empty glass of beer is totally pro. If alanzo were amateur it would be an empty soda can or water bottle. True pros use alcohol to fuel the creative process. :-)

My is never empty, so I guess that puts me in amateur category.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'm not out to please everybody and I really don't care if some people don't like my music, or feel that they could do it better - you can't please everybody and, if someone feels the need to "prove" that their music is better than mine, so be it.

Amen!

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Originally posted by cryophonik 1) I never said anything about your music - I simply suggested that you should post it so that we can hear it and compare it to other genres. 2) Taking a cheap shot at my singers is pretty low and does not speak well of your character. That said, I do know that my singers aren't always in tune and they do as well. They're human and sometimes they sing out of tune. We tend to avoid the extreme use of auto-tune when necessary. .

1) You certainly did comment my sounds were'nt that cutting edge - you said you'd expecting more given my past comments on your sounds (on a&b forum)

2) Not a cheap shot. Merely the truth EXACTLY AS YOU GAVE ME.

You said of my singing - there are pitching and timing issues, but I dont get offended or prickly. Why be prickly and say I'm taking a cheap shot at your singer - Im not Im just saying there are some quite serious pitch errors which given your very competenat persona I guess was slightly surprising (for example your studio photos left no stone unturned, and no room for error, yet the vocals often seem pitchy which I think is more down to the producer than the singer).

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Originally posted by Richard Butler 1) You certainly did comment my sounds were'nt that cutting edge - you said you'd expecting more given my past comments on your sounds (on a&b forum)

Ohhhh....you're bubbletoe (lightbulb!). Sorry, I'm getting senile in my old age.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler ...yet the vocals often seem pitchy which I think is more down to the producer than the singer).

I disagree and the singers do as well. They're the singers, not me. It's their personal goal to work their craft to perfection and rely on solid takes, and minimizing the amount of post-processing (not that we don't, of course). For the most part, we aren't striving for that ultra-polished, over-auto-tuned, sterile, lifeless, unwaivering vocals sound that abounds today.

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If you have ever heard some of those popular trance vocalists sing live without their Autotune (when they are not clearly lip-synching) you will realize they are not all that great at holding a note anyway. I think there used to be a YouTube up of one of the big ones that was particularly bad, but I forget who it was -- maybe the vocalist from Andain? :-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If you have ever heard some of those popular trance vocalists sing live without their Autotune (when they are not clearly lip-synching) you will realize they are not all that great at holding a note anyway. I think there used to be a YouTube up of one of the big ones that was particularly bad, but I forget who it was -- maybe the vocalist from Andain? :-)

Yeah, that's exactly the reason we try to NOT over-do it with the auto-tune. The singers don't like to over-do it with the studio post-processing because: (a) some of them (e.g., Aliciya and Avonlea) perform these songs live and know that the people in the crowd who have heard these songs are going to have certain expectations, and (b) they know that over-use of studio processing can easily become a crutch and make them lazy with their practicing/preparation. It's actually a common point of discussion for us when we're in the studio.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE Id say you are the best example of my point yet. though your podcast clip yields some clear production and nice melodies i am assuming the melody is from the original piece and not your own. all the other pieces on your myspace player sound to me like they were made by a technician with no real musical identity (IMO). it sounds like you have only ever listened to 2003-2007 trance music and come to your conclusions on your influence far too early on. after seeing your photo of a very swish looking studio i thought you may have come up with something a little more 'jump out and bit me on the arse' style. all i really heard on your player was a technician with an ability to fill the current trend of blasting the entire 20-20000hz spectrum without allowing any room for the music to breath. what you manage very well is to demonstrate how so many young and financially well off kids (be it through hard day job working, or through hand outs) manage to miss a valuable theme to a piece of music and thus end up with a non musical music by numbers outcome.

OK, well, let's cut through the BS and talk turkey then. Any coward can throw stones at other people's work while hiding being the anonymity of a forum identity. Ultimately, all you're doing is throwing out your opinion, which quite frankly, I'm sure counts for very little to a guy like Alan given that you are new here and are too afraid of having your own fragile ego bruised by posting your own work while, to the contrary, Alan is a regular and respected contributor to this forum, has several songs signed to labels, produces patch banks for numerous synths (his Virus and Nord banks are actually quite popular), etc.

So, let's turn this whole discussion around and give you a chance to redeem yourself by actually contributing something useful to this forum, as everybody else participating in this thread has been doing for years. What exactly do you propose as a solution to your perceived problem? Should we all sell our gear and use FLS or Reason until we can demonstrate to you that we've achieved a level of musical/creative competence to make the next purchase? Obviously, that's not going to happen and is a laughable proposition anyway, so what exactly do you propose? Seriously, here is your chance to contribute something positive and perhaps change people's perception of you as just another newbie whiner or troll (which I don't think is the case), as stated by several others in previous posts.

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Originally posted by RichieV i started using my tablet as a mouse. It is really handy. I found mouses to strain my wrist.

yes its nice how you don't need to use your hands to use a tablet

love that feature

He uses a pro tablet, bro.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal He uses a pro tablet, bro.

4 sur. i usualy just use my nose, its lightyears more accorate than a mouse, simply.

Anyone who buys a synth like the Virus, then goes out and buys patch banks for it, has completely missed the point.