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Originally posted by Joe Drust Its not the same. You dont understand the business that you are talking about. You would pay for it either way. "I" the employer does not pay "shit wages" as you say and we couldn't afford to do otherwise. Want the same level of service but not have to tip ever? Then be prepared to have to pay a lot more for your food.

I would be more then prepared to pay more for my food then feel obligated to tip someone. The reality is that restaurants wouldn't increase their prices too much because they would loose too much business.

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Originally posted by chinamon you sound like the way my mom talks. if she sees 3 people doing the same thing then she automatically says EVERYONE does it. you've lived in a few countries and now tipping is practiced globally.

quote me when I said it's practiced? lol
and yeah bitch please - there is a difference between seeing people in Toronto do something and being at 2 different continents and observing things
I said it's known - meaning everybody knows about that, but I know for the fact that in Europe people hardly do it (like France for example, and UK)
when I lived in Europe, we'd only really tip at out fave places we went for family dinners every week or so
or if we tipped at a big party/birthday dinner

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I would be more then prepared to pay more for my food then feel obligated to tip someone. The reality is that restaurants wouldn't increase their prices too much because they would loose too much business.

Your right we couldn't raise them much.. people are the most price sensitive they have been in years.
But some other things would change.
Restaurants / clubs cannot afford to absorb a 15% increase and be able to operate as they do now. (In the current model)

FACT this year the cost that we will absorb for the minimum wage increase will be equal to the capital we need to build two new restaurants...(corporately) those restaurants would employ around 60-90 people each. (which sucks - random thought)

No disrespect is intended in my posts so please dont take any.

One question though what is it that you dont like about "feeling obligated" to tip.
In the end as it is now you have a choice, right?
Is it just a personal thing that you would rather not have to actively rate / reward / or thank based directly on your experience?

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Originally posted by Joe Drust One question though what is it that you dont like about "feeling obligated" to tip. In the end as it is now you have a choice, right? Is it just a personal thing that you would rather not have to actively rate / reward / or thank based directly on your experience?

You are right....it is a choice but society has made it the norm to tip...regardless of how good the service. The reason I feel obligated to tip is because the wait staff isn't paid fairly for the work they do. If they were paid fair wages then I wouldn't feel obligated to tip but I probably would still tip for a job well done.

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but servers don't normally get paid minimum wage. They get paid a servers minimum, which is below minimum wage.

So the problem doesn't really lie with the owners/employers, rather with the law makers.

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i wanna watch this movie again now.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I would be more then prepared to pay more for my food then feel obligated to tip someone. The reality is that restaurants wouldn't increase their prices too much because they would loose too much business.

Reminds me of what Moevenpick used to do... add a 10% "service charge" to each bill, and hope the customers still tip. Staff complained to the newspapers years ago that Moevenpick was pocketing the charge and not distributing with the Staff. They admitted it saying it's to help offset costs and making prices seem lower. They got rid of it eventually when Richtree took over.

I wonder if the practice has come back now that Moevenpick moved back in the Richtree locations???

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew you clearly don't grasp the full meaning of working for minimum wage (servers) as well as other people in industries where tips are involved tipping a server at a restaurant is a globally known practice - depending on how much you like the service, you tip accordingly

I do grasp the concept fairly well. I am expected to subsidize wages. Again like I said I do tip, but do not agree with it.

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Originally posted by Joe Drust Its not the same. You dont understand the business that you are talking about. You would pay for it either way. "I" the employer does not pay "shit wages" as you say and we couldn't afford to do otherwise. Want the same level of service but not have to tip ever? Then be prepared to have to pay a lot more for your food. I know all of us restaurant people operate gold mines and we sit in offices counting our gold bars while we pay our servers shit wages as you say.

First I would be glad to pay more for food. I was just Australia, and food was much more expensive in restaurants, but guess what the waiters were paid a good wage and tipping is not a custom.

Oh and second, I wasn't trying to imply that restaurant owners operate goldmines while screwing the little guy. I understand the business requires alot hours, dedication and very hard work.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Reminds me of what Moevenpick used to do... add a 10% "service charge" to each bill, and hope the customers still tip. Staff complained to the newspapers years ago that Moevenpick was pocketing the charge and not distributing with the Staff. They admitted it saying it's to help offset costs and making prices seem lower. They got rid of it eventually when Richtree took over. I wonder if the practice has come back now that Moevenpick moved back in the Richtree locations???

...so what you're saying is...that you were suppose to tip at Richtree as it wasn't built into the price?

Wonder if they'll move back now that its Moevenpicks again.

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Originally posted by exstasie ...so what you're saying is...that you were suppose to tip at Richtree as it wasn't built into the price? Wonder if they'll move back now that its Moevenpicks again.

Exactly.

Managers have been trained to respond to customers who object the service charge. Simply tell the manager, they this is a self service restaurant and you refuse to pay for serving yourself. The manager will remove the service charge without fuss.

The story made it all over the papers several years ago. It used to be called "gratuity", but staff lawsuits (because they didn't get any of it) changed that to "service charge", and they remove it on a reactive basis.

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i work in the service industry, and i make a gratuity based income.

first, NOBODY deserves a tip. i don't care who you are or how good the service you provide is. a tip is a way of the person or people you are serving of saying 'thank you'. thats it. anyone who thinks they deserve a tip for the work they have done or service they have provided is mistaken. thats what your wage is for. if you don't like it go get another job that pays a better hourly, end of story.

that being said, do i like to run my ass off and get stiffed on a tip? no. do i take it personally? yes i do. i'm not going to lie. but nobody forces me to do my job. if i don't like it i know where the door is.

yes, there will be some who choose to show their appreciation by leaving a gratuity, and there will be those who don't. those who do leave a tip usually recognise the type of service you have given them and it is a good tip. so in the end it all works out in the wash even if you do not receive a tip for your efforts some time. but nobody deserves or should expect a tip. that is ridiculous.


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