Piracy helps sales. Piracy is another form of a commercial. Piracy is putting a small 0.000005 cent fish on the hook, so you can catch a big $20 trout.

Stop believing the piracy absolutely hurts sales lie. At worste...piracy helps sales far more than it hurts...and at best piracy enormously helps sales that would not be possible without piracy.

Piracy is a strong trojan marketing tool. Every major label leaks the albums they put out. Every single one of them is leaked with the purpose to increase marketing and sales. Otherwise, the artist and their music would hardly be known if they limited it to just people who buy the music. Music sells far more now than ever, both in gross and net profit, due to digital distribution. Its smart for the major labels to invest in telling people, especially artists that piracy is the reason sales are down...even though a speck in the middle of nowhere has the ability to buy music now.

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http://www.bennjordan.com/blog/?page_id=51

This is a nice read about The Flashbulb aka Benn Jordan and his view on piracy. He benefited pretty nicely from it, I'd say.

As its already been said, you have to move with the times. Artists, labels and others in the industry can feel the pinch and are adapting in new ways, with great success. Even the older lables are doing so knowing they can't last if they dont change some of the ways they operate.

Its a new age now, there is money to be made, and people will still buy and listen to music. New tactics are needed, probably out of your comfort zone, maybe radical in terms of what you already do. What labels like Toolroom (like Eric J said) are doing is a good example of how to get sales up, and get your brand out there.

Who knows what the future holds but, EDM isnt going anywhere I believe its in the process of change right now, and I believe its a great time to establish yourself during this change while there is so much change going on.

It is very sad to hear of people not making a living as they did once, and years down the line it could happen anyone of us, but you have to predict this will happen (change) and try and move with it.

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Originally posted by alanzo It's like sifting through cat shit to find a penny. In the end, it wasn't worth the effort.

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Originally posted by Fledz Private trackers kill that argument.

I don't reckon so because as soon as they get too big, the studio shut them down - the other downside is that you have to register with a valid email address which scares the occasional DL'er away (don't want that stored on a server somewhere). That means it's only the dedicated left (which as said before no one is ever going to combat regardless).

Private trackers make up a minute fraction of the torrent market anyway, when compared to open torrents or trackers.

Lol, @ private trackers being shut down.

You. Can. Not. Stop. Your. Shit. From. Being. Pirated. You can't, you just can't can't can't. When you make something capable of being placed in a virtual world [music, movies, art] where it is impossible to block duplication, you loose control over its distribution. Period. Data on the Internet is like a barrel of water, as soon as you poke one hole and a drop gets out, bam, the whole barrel becomes useless, and any and all protection for it is completely useless because that one drop got out and it got duplicated. The idea that piracy can be stopped or even deterred is the same garbage sold to people who think there is a super pill that makes you loose weight, or that you can take a capsule and grow a 30 inch penis.

You can still make money off EDM, the concept of a rave still exists, just because it doesn't happen as often doesn't mean anything. And if you want to make money with EDM, then you need to tour, host raves and parties and the like, but if you expect to sit in your studio, make 10 tracks, put them on an album, and hand them off to a label and expect sales, then you have already lost the game. The Game, you just lost it.

And I think some people seriously underestimate humanity. Piracy is getting easier. I remember back in the days where when you wanted to crack a program, you had to edit files. Now most programs don't even need a crack, you download it and install. The crack is built in. 13 year olds know what proxies are. And they are behind 7 of them. Worried about your IP being logged? Well, most people have some form of wireless lan, fire that bitch up and connect to one of the guaranteed 9846756 other wlan's in your area.

Piracy is only an issue to people who don't want to work to make money in EDM.

Some of you have said that most people don't want to pirate, scared of the IP potrol or w/e, dude, th 00 generation grew up with priacy, the generation coming up will be 5 times worse. When you walk down the street and see a 10 year old kid, know that when he gets 6-8 more years on him, he will not pay for any digital media.

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Originally posted by Kysora http://www.bennjordan.com/blog/?page_id=51 This is a nice read about The Flashbulb aka Benn Jordan and his view on piracy. He benefited pretty nicely from it, I'd say.

a reply to his blog post about how piracy helped his sales.

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Tom Irwin said: 2009.09.01 05:07 Hi Benn, I downloaded Soundtrack To A Vacant Life having never heard previously of you or your work. Without wishing to sound too gushing, it had a profound effect on me; I thought it was a beautful emotional document. Intensely sad and organic-sounding, it really was like nothing I’ve ever heard before – it’s clear to me that you put everything into your music. Before I had even read the html file that came with the download, i had decided that I was going to buy the album – if I download something and like it enough, that is what I do. When I discovered the story behind your releasing the album on torrent sites yourself this only increased my wish to show my support. Having read your article, I can only say that from my point of view there’s a very good chance I would never have heard your music, bought the CD and then pre-ordered your forthcoming release had it not been for the album being made available as it was. Best of luck for the future – I hope you can someday realise your dream of making music for yourself without selling your soul to ad companies and the like. Keep up the good work mate. Cheers, Tom.

I'd like to offer a nice healthy meaty middle finger to people who say or trumpet "Piracy = Sales goeeezzz downzzz". Stop lying hookers. Though some of you MIGHT be innocent...as you are just relaying what a scoundrel sold you.


ps: thanks for that link...great blog that is. Besides the facts...I liked the rhetoric he used lol.

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And another point...what you're willing to download is not exactly what you were willing to buy...just simply what you were willing to try. So where is the lost sale here? Its eventually a sale or two or many...If anything you played the song for someone, and they said thats nice music. And when you're older and the fear of getting caught for pirating starts to sink in, you go out and buy music. The funny yet sick thing is these deceivers prosecute, fine, and jail people for a system they created and benefit from. Because, once in a while they need to scapegoat someone, in order to push the "piracy hurts teh salesz" lie.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Piracy helps sales. Piracy is another form of a commercial. Piracy is putting a small 0.000005 cent fish on the hook, so you can catch a big $20 trout. Stop believing the piracy absolutely hurts sales lie. At worste...piracy helps sales far more than it hurts...and at best piracy enormously helps sales that would not be possible without piracy. Piracy is a strong trojan marketing tool. Every major label leaks the albums they put out. Every single one of them is leaked with the purpose to increase marketing and sales. Otherwise, the artist and their music would hardly be known if they limited it to just people who buy the music. Music sells far more now than ever, both in gross and net profit, due to digital distribution. Its smart for the major labels to invest in telling people, especially artists that piracy is the reason sales are down...even though a speck in the middle of nowhere has the ability to buy music now.

Your stupidity is enormous. How can you sit there and say piracy doensn't hurt sales????? You're speaking from a consumer point of view that it doesn't hurt them barely or at all.

You're forgetting that 99% of the piracy is done by producers and djs. It's the industry pirating that needs to stop; not the small odd consumer that decides they want to pirate a song/album to see if they like it.

But the fact you say piracy hasn't hurt sales; you deserve to get your eyes/ears knifed because you don't use them anyways.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Lol, @ private trackers being shut down. You. Can. Not. Stop. Your. Shit. From. Being. Pirated. You can't, you just can't can't can't. When you make something capable of being placed in a virtual world [music, movies, art] where it is impossible to block duplication, you loose control over its distribution. Period. Data on the Internet is like a barrel of water, as soon as you poke one hole and a drop gets out, bam, the whole barrel becomes useless, and any and all protection for it is completely useless because that one drop got out and it got duplicated. The idea that piracy can be stopped or even deterred is the same garbage sold to people who think there is a super pill that makes you loose weight, or that you can take a capsule and grow a 30 inch penis. You can still make money off EDM, the concept of a rave still exists, just because it doesn't happen as often doesn't mean anything. And if you want to make money with EDM, then you need to tour, host raves and parties and the like, but if you expect to sit in your studio, make 10 tracks, put them on an album, and hand them off to a label and expect sales, then you have already lost the game. The Game, you just lost it. And I think some people seriously underestimate humanity. Piracy is getting easier. I remember back in the days where when you wanted to crack a program, you had to edit files. Now most programs don't even need a crack, you download it and install. The crack is built in. 13 year olds know what proxies are. And they are behind 7 of them. Worried about your IP being logged? Well, most people have some form of wireless lan, fire that bitch up and connect to one of the guaranteed 9846756 other wlan's in your area. Piracy is only an issue to people who don't want to work to make money in EDM. Some of you have said that most people don't want to pirate, scared of the IP potrol or w/e, dude, th 00 generation grew up with priacy, the generation coming up will be 5 times worse. When you walk down the street and see a 10 year old kid, know that when he gets 6-8 more years on him, he will not pay for any digital media. /endrant

Sorry but it can and will be done. Unfortunately for your kind it's days are becoming numbered.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Sorry but it can and will be done.

How is that?

Seems to me it will always be impossible to restrict music because of a very simple issue: anyone who owns the original file can get an audio interface and an audio cable, take the cable from an audio out to an audio in and record the sound to WAV / AIFF format, which will make it totally unrestricted.

I don't even use P2P stuff, I am just interested in the technical problem.