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will you be entering the tranny olympics?

no.

but i'm pretty sure i am going to be deejaying a tranny prom here in the city.

Why don't more women have sex changes to become men? Seems like there'd be a lot more benefits in that.

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Originally posted by nefardec no. but i'm pretty sure i am going to be deejaying a tranny prom here in the city.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Why don't more women have sex changes to become men? Seems like there'd be a lot more benefits in that.

there are many awesome transmen in the world as well, however the phalloplasty surgery is quite a lot more expensive and difficult than the vaginoplasties and labioplasties that transwomen get. it's essentially quite a lot easier to dig a hole than to build a pole.


As far as why there are likely 3x as many transwomen than transmen (the statistics are murky), regardless of 'sex change' (ie operation) i've heard many explanations, ranging from the idea that people socialized as boys in society generally have a more independent or action-oriented view of the world, the idea that they are in control of their genders, to the idea that those socialized as boys have more of a tendency to objectify their gender and sexual expressions.

As for the former, I think it's BS.. plenty of natal women undergo cosmetic surgery for the sake of their gender and personal expression.

And as for the latter - perhaps this has something to do with it. Then again, in our society, so called 'feminine' expression tends to be regarded as very aesthetic or superficial anyways, so is it really the fault of the transwoman?

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Thank you for my new sig

That's definitely an interesting topic though. Do you have any idea of a correlation between homosexuality and the desire to re-identify one's gender? It seems like most drag shows are predominately homosexual males dressing as women. It also seems as if a higher percentage of homosexual males tend to act more effeminate than homosexual females acting more masculine.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Thank you for my new sig That's definitely an interesting topic though. Do you have any idea of a correlation between homosexuality and the desire to re-identify one's gender? It seems like most drag shows are predominately homosexual males dressing as women. It also seems as if a higher percentage of homosexual males tend to act more effeminate than homosexual females acting more masculine.

hmm.

well first of all, transwomen who like men are considered straight. transwomen who like women are considered queer.

secondly - drag is NOT transgenderism, though perhaps some queens are actually transgender. drag is a performance art, about character, not about identity. that is, drag queens don't identify with their female persona beyond a character level, and if they do, then they are trans.

the reason most drag is MTF is because as performance art there is just more to look at, more to play with. That said, drag isn't just gay men in dresses, it's about realness in any gender, it's theater - impromptu, subversive, queer theater. You should check out this awesome and fabulous documentary 'paris is burning' (great soundtrack too)



on a sidenote:

i personally think the comparison between drag and blackface is pretty interesting, in that it consists of stereotyped caricatures of a historically repressed minority.

However, the difference is that drag came out of the gay community (and the black and hispanic gay community at that), which is also a minority, so it doesn't truly represent a 'masters making fun of the slaves' mindset.

While the stereotypes portrayed by drag are maybe not entirely constructive, I think drag also represents solidarity with women, and it can give power to feminine gender expression, and certainly it breaks down walls of sexuality.



But to answer your original question directly:

In my experience transwomen seem to be roughly split between being attracted to men only or women only. I've always dated women personally, and I am still predominantly attracted to women. However, growing up as a trans kid (i always considered myself ambi-gendered, a 'boy-girl', before I knew what trans meant) I was understandably curious about both men and women. It didn't seem that it was natural for me to be attracted to either exclusively on the inside, though I knew what was expected of me on the outside.

I would say that there is a positive correlation between transgenderism and alternative sexualities in a broad sense, but transpeople are most definitely NOT gay people who are trying to fulfill some kind of role in order to be with a certain sex. That is a very outdated and ignorant way of thinking actually. And most gay men like men who identify as men, not men who identify as women.

The relationship between transwomen and gay men is interesting. I have great gay friends, but before I tell them i am trans, some of them assume I am just a super queen.. the moment I tell them I'm trans and that I am going on hormones and hope to have the surgery they will almost invariably seem crushed initially, because they see me as 'fish'. So I get a lot of support from gay men, but it's a lot harder for a transwoman to date within that community. A gay guy attracted to a transwoman might question his sexuality in the same way that a straight man might.

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I wasn't implying that all or even most transwomen are gay, just that it seems like there's a higher percentage of gay men who tend to act more like women than there are lesbian women who act more like men.

On a side note, once you're done with your gender re-identification process, wouldn't you still have a y chromosome, and thus still technically be a man? That was the part that always confused me. I'm not doubting the fact that you identify yourself as a woman, but from a genetic standpoint, won't you always be a man? Since from a mental view you already identify yourself as female, isn't the hormone therapy and surgery purely aesthetic?

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