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EddieZilker
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Registered: Jan 2009
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quote:
Originally posted by Sand Leaper


The article you quoted goes on to say that in spite of brostep being thought of as a predominately male genre, it seems to be popular among women.


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Despite being known as hard and horny raw dong music for sweaty males to “bro out” to, brostep actually tends to pull in a larger female audience who prefers the dancier, more jump-up nature of the “hype bass party music” over the heavier dubstep, even if they have to put up with a mosh pit here and there to experience it.


Could explain the whole "ear sex" angle she has.


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Sand Leaper
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I don't go to parties where the stuff is played, so I couldn't say, to be honest. I quoted it because it explains the musical differences.


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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
people love anything that makes them feel special. especially generation entitlement.com


Granted, but what we're trying to work out is what musical properties of the genre make such a large demographic feel so special.

quote:
Originally posted by echoshade555
I've been trying to check out every single suggestion on here.

This peeks my interest, can you give an example?








In fairness Adam, what you've posted is more of the straight-up "real" dubstep, with perhaps a techy-dubby vibe. And I find Pinch in particular to be achingly dull. The stuff I call atmospheric dubstep (a sub-genre I've completely invented) gives me the same vibe as atmospheric jungle, but with dubstep rhythm and bass structures.


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Woony
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Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Berlin

I guess im needed here?

All quality labels, lots of smaller once. Mostly melodic/chill/intelligent/new stuff, some classic dark Dubstep.

Deep Medi
Swamp 81
Hotflush Recordings
Tempa
Hyperdub
DMZ
Tectonic
Apple Pips
Numbers
Echodub
On The Edge
Noppa Records
Surface Tension
Transistor
Well Rounded Records
Night SLugs
Unique Cut
Tube10 Recordings
Exit Records
Hobby Industries
Immerse Records
Naked Lunch

7even Recordings
Apparition Recordings
Apple Pips
Argon Records
Atom River
Black Acre Records
Black Box
Mata-Syn
Wheal & Deal Records
Subsolo
Skull Disco
Osiris
PTN
Smoking Sessions

Pushing Red
Fortified Audio
Exit Records
Subdeth Records
Brownswood Recordings
Chestplate
Cloqworq Recordings
Chestplate
Critical Music
Dark Arx
Monkeytown Records
Luetia Dubs
Hessle Audio
Hemlock Recordings
Digital Soundboy


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Adam420
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Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal, QC

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
In fairness Adam, what you've posted is more of the straight-up "real" dubstep, with perhaps a techy-dubby vibe. And I find Pinch in particular to be achingly dull. The stuff I call atmospheric dubstep (a sub-genre I've completely invented) gives me the same vibe as atmospheric jungle, but with dubstep rhythm and bass structures.


I don't know. The stuff you posted, yea it's pretty nice, but at the same time kinda feels "cheap". Kinda like progressive house on Mistiquemusic sounds compared to prog on say, labels like microCastle and Sudbeat. I just find the stuff you posted lacks the warmth of the stuff coming out of Bristol and London, for the most part.


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Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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Aaron C.
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I'm surprised dubstep got commercialized so fast. I figure even when something gets into mainstream radar there's quite a bit of an incubation period for a watered down horrible version of it to steal the genres name and defame it. For example what happened to trance took a few years.
I've never found dubstep to amusing. A track here and there yes. But all in all no. Regardless, it's sad to see such raping of any edm genre.


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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
I don't know. The stuff you posted, yea it's pretty nice, but at the same time kinda feels "cheap". Kinda like progressive house on Mistiquemusic sounds compared to prog on say, labels like microCastle and Sudbeat. I just find the stuff you posted lacks the warmth of the stuff coming out of Bristol and London, for the most part.


I really don't understand what you're saying at all. How do "cheap" and "warm" relate? I also find that whole microCastle et al prog sound very uninteresting. There's a lot of disposable shit on Mistique, but I'd rather hear the good stuff like Michael & Levan and Timewave than any of that blandly tasteful stuff.


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Adam420
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The sound is tinny. I don't know, maybe it's all digital production. I'm pretty sure there's at least some analogue in all of the tracks I posted.

As for the prog, well to each to his own. I think a lot of the stuff that you indicate that you like sounds very bland and uninspiring to me. Flat even. A lot of those tracks just drown you in layers and layers of melodies and completely forgo any sense of groove.

Whatever, it's not like this will get anywhere, but hopefully you'll understand my point about the tracks you posted vs. the ones I did. I'm not saying they're not good in any way, I'm just saying that they lack the production quality that I've come to look for.


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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
I don't know. The stuff you posted, yea it's pretty nice, but at the same time kinda feels "cheap". Kinda like progressive house on Mistiquemusic sounds compared to prog on say, labels like microCastle and Sudbeat. I just find the stuff you posted lacks the warmth of the stuff coming out of Bristol and London, for the most part.


Just doing a quick comparison between what both of you have posted, I don't think I could point to any qualitative difference between either. There are differences, which I suspect lie primarily in how the production process for each shaped the sonic focus. Your examples tend to heavily emphasize musical sound design where-as SYSTEM-J's seems to be oriented towards a unified ensemble sort of sound.


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nefardec
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quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
The article you quoted goes on to say that in spite of brostep being thought of as a predominately male genre, it seems to be popular among women.

Could explain the whole "ear sex" angle she has.


Actually a funny thing -

I know a girl who I went to high school with who came out as a very butch lesbian (boi) and recently friended me on FB. I've been fascinated, stalking her facebook. Actually she is a massive overshare, so at first it was involuntary, but then I became hooked. She lives in the midwest, in a very homogenous town, with no real LGBT community to speak of. So she hangs out with her lesbros a lot. At least once a week she will post stuff like "mixin' dub (code for brostep) and drinking PBR with ___, ___, &____". The rest of the week she will post about how much she drinks, where she is off skateboarding with her lesbros, or even more common - what celebrity femme she wants to bang at that moment, or how many women she is ogling at a strip club.

I can't help but feel all these stereotypically masculine activities are correlated with brostep.

First of all let me say that I think it's generally ridiculous to describe any listening of music for music itself as gendered in any way. But unfortunately, society is generally ridiculous, and as a result, a lot of music IS loaded with gender roles. It is kind of silly to make the comparison I am making though, because something like going to a strip club is obviously chauvinistic since it deals with women in a very explicit way, whereas brostep doesn't really deal with women as its object.

I suspect that women liking brostep has something to do with the dance and energy aspect of it, but also something to do with a whole 'raunch culture' aspect. Similar to how some women may feel like to be considered 'hot' or 'cool' among their social group they have to do 'bro' things like go to a strip club, or that men will think they are hotter if they make out with their girlfriends, etc. It's a weird kind of 'if you cant beat them join them', post-feminist, reverse-chauvinist kind of mentality. I love a good gender stereotype challenge, but to me this seems less of a challenge and more of a surrender. In a truly liberated, post-feminist world, we might think of college bros dancing to 'femmestep'.

Now I don't know how much all this I described is actually a factor - like I said I think it could be somewhat a factor, but even if it is, it's definitely not all of the factor. Every teenager loves loud noisy music.

That said, it's rare you see girls with grotesquely huge sound systems in their own cars, with all the doors open in the parking lot of their local applebee's, and a blue glow emanating from the bottom of their car. And there is a reason we call it 'Brostep'

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Adam420
Trance Free Since 2003



Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal, QC

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
Just doing a quick comparison between what both of you have posted, I don't think I could point to any qualitative difference between either. There are differences, which I suspect lie primarily in how the production process for each shaped the sonic focus. Your examples tend to heavily emphasize musical sound design where-as SYSTEM-J's seems to be oriented towards a unified ensemble sort of sound.


That seems like a good way to put it. I guess I'm just more about the little details while Jack is about the big picture


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Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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