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Originally posted by DOOMBOT
You are bringing up good points that unfortunately get ignored by most people.


I think you forgot to notice that they are all rhetorical questions to which the answers should all be NO.

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China tells U.S. "good old days" of borrowing are over

NEW YORK/SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China bluntly criticized the United States on Saturday one day after the superpower's credit rating was downgraded, saying the "good old days" of borrowing were over.

Standard & Poor's cut the U.S. long-term credit rating from top-tier AAA by a notch to AA-plus on Friday over concerns about the nation's budget deficits and climbing debt burden.

China -- the United States' biggest creditor -- said Washington only had itself to blame for its plight and called for a new stable global reserve currency.

"The U.S. government has to come to terms with the painful fact that the good old days when it could just borrow its way out of messes of its own making are finally gone," China's official Xinhua news agency said in a commentary.

After a week which saw $2.5 trillion wiped off global markets, the move deepened investors' concerns of an impending recession in the United States and over the euro zone crisis.

Finance ministers and central bankers of the Group of Seven major industrialized nations will confer by telephone later on Saturday or on Sunday, a senior European diplomatic source said.

The source said the credit rating downgrade had added a global dimension on top of the euro zone debt issue, raising the need for international coordination.

"The G7 will confer by telephone. It's not yet confirmed whether it will be in one stage or in two stages, tonight and tomorrow," the source said.

French Finance Minister Francois Baroin, who would chair such a meeting under France's G7 and G20 presidency, said it was too early to say whether there would be an early G7 gathering.

In the Xinhua commentary, China scorned the United States for its "debt addiction" and "short sighted" political wrangling.

"China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets," it said.

It urged the United States to cut military and social welfare expenditure. Further credit downgrades would very likely undermine the world economic recovery and trigger new rounds of financial turmoil, it said.

"International supervision over the issue of U.S. dollars should be introduced and a new, stable and secured global reserve currency may also be an option to avert a catastrophe caused by any single country," Xinhua said.

In Washington, President Barack Obama urged lawmakers on Saturday to set aside partisan politics after the debt battle, saying they must work to put the United States' fiscal house in order and refocus on stimulating its stagnant economy.

S&P blamed the downgrade in part on the political gridlock in Washington, saying politics was preventing the United States from addressing its deficit and debt problems.

Obama called on Congress to back measures to give tax relief to the middle class, extend jobless benefits and pass long-delayed international trade pacts.

"Both parties are going to have to work together on a larger plan to get our nation's finances in order," he said.

"In the long term, the health of our economy depends on it...in the short term, our urgent mission has to be getting this economy growing faster and creating jobs."

STAY COOL

In contrast to the Chinese criticism, France's Baroin said France had faith in the United States' ability to get out of this "difficult period."

Friday's U.S. unemployment numbers were better than expected and so things were heading in the right direction, he said.

"Therefore, one should not dramatise, one needs to remain cool-headed, one should look at the fundamentals," he told France's iTele.

While the impact of the rating cut on financial markets when they reopen on Monday may be modest because the decision was expected, the shift may have a long-term impact for U.S. standing in the world, the dollar's status, and the global financial system.

"I think even if it was half-expected, the consequence will be far reaching," said Ciaran O'Hagan, fixed income strategist at Societe Generale in Paris.

"It will weigh on secure assets. The bigger reaction will be on risky assets, including equities and on agencies (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae) and states backed directly by the federal government."

But he added: "U.S. Treasuries will remain a benchmark. This is a ship which takes a long time to turn around."

Norbert Barthle, a budget expert for German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives said the downgrade would certainly provoke further turbulence in markets.

"I'm not surprised about the U.S. rating downgrade, rather I am astonished that for weeks, international rating agencies have focused their attention on the European debt situation but not the American one. For a while, there have been clear worries about America's economic woes but also the fact the U.S. is heavily indebted."

NO EARLY ITALIAN ELECTION

In Europe, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Saturday ruled out calling early elections to stem market panic that has pounded Italian assets and forced his government to bring forward austerity measures.

Italy buckled on Friday to world pressure by pledging to bring forward cuts to balance the budget in 2013 in return for European Central Bank help with funding.

European policy makers are concerned that a debt emergency in the euro zone's third largest economy could completely overwhelm bailout mechanisms set up to help smaller troubled countries like Greece or Ireland.

Italy is due to go to the polls in 2013 but Berlusconi dismissed any suggestion of emulating Spain, where Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has called an early election to tackle the crisis.

"This has absolutely not been talked about," Berlusconi told reporters. "This has never been an option."

The European Union's top economic official praised Italy's decision to accelerate budget-balancing measures and structural economic reforms and said swift implementation was now crucial.

"I strongly support this announcement and call on the authorities to quickly translate it into concrete measures," European Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn told Reuters in a telephone interview.

"This will help to boost potential growth, secure budgetary retrenchment and bolster market confidence," Rehn said.

The European Central Bank sources said the bank remains divided over whether to buy Italian government bonds but even some of those who favor the move say Italy should do more to front-load austerity measures.

Two sources said they expected ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet to hold a teleconference of the bank's policy-setting Governing Council over the weekend to discuss how to respond to turmoil in financial markets and Italy's latest measures.

China and Japan have called for coordinated action to avert a new worldwide financial crisis. India's finance minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters: "There is no need to unnecessarily press the panic button."

(Additional reporting by Reuters bureaux; Writing by Angus MacSwan)




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So will you guys finally lower your expenses and increase the goddamn taxes? This is fucking ridiculous.


Nope. As long as the Republicans control the House, there will be no tax increases of any kind.

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The truth hurts eh? You voted for the first administration ever to preside over a credit rating downgrade. No wonder every one of his original economic team (except Giethner) has quietly left and gone back to the friendly confines of their university teaching jobs... they knew what was coming and didn't want their fingerprints all over it.

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I heard everything that occurs during a presidency is only because of the current president and staff that's in charge.

Literally everything. Blame them for everything. Every little thing.

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The truth hurts eh?


I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that both sides deserve equal blame for this mess.

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I heard everything that occurs during a presidency is only because of the current president and staff that's in charge.

Literally everything. Blame them for everything. Every little thing.


Oh yeah? Well, you wanna know what I heard? I heard that if a president has a really shitty term, then it's safe to assume that his losing opponent would've been an absolutely stand-up guy and that nothing could have possibly gone wrong.

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I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that both sides deserve equal blame for this mess.


They do, and this has been acknowledged... and the consequences of Republican mismanagement was felt in 2008 when they got rightfully obliterated in every level of government. But rather than reform, the dastardly borrowing and spending policies were doubled down on when Democrats took over. Now, very few of them will do anything more than point the finger back to Bush when their party has been in the driver's seat and got everything they've wanted until last week.

Imagine if 3 years into his tenure, Reagan was still blaming Jimmy Carter for the country's economic woes. Think he would be getting a pass like the messiah is now?



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Oh yeah? Well, you wanna know what I heard? I heard that if a president has a really shitty term, then it's safe to assume that his losing opponent would've been an absolutely stand-up guy and that nothing could have possibly gone wrong.

What kind of argument is this? lol... there's no way to know because it didn't really happen. Although I will say, If that McCain/Palin ticket would have been elected, the damage to the Republican party would have been much worse in the long run.

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But seriously, I didnt have a in depth look into the American situation, but just to take look how other countries have dealt with financial crysis (my own country included) - you cut your expenses, you raise the taxes, just tighten your belt for a couple of years. Aint that the appropriate course of action?

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Because, so far, the blame game is really working out for us. At first I thought it would wind up in the destruction of the United States, but I'm actually surprised at how well a perpetual state of crisis has contributed to the utter stability and growth we seem to be experiencing.








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Because, so far, the blame game is really working out for us.


Bingo. This left vs. right bullshit needs to get the fuck out of here.

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