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Originally posted by Orko If I am starting out, and want to create a great clubbing experience, but do not want to rely on the revenue that bottle service is to bring in, what are my alternatives?

The 3 that I see are:
-Cater to the bottle service top 40 type crowd and take the hit that not having bottle service creates. Maybe you make 20% less revenue or whatever that is.
-Cater to the non-bottle service crowd and build a clientele of return customers who appreciate the fact you don't build a business around it. You don't lose/gain revenue from this but you just shift your target market and turn a weakness into a strength. FW pulled it off quite nicely.
-Afterhours, no booze, no problem...

Totally agree with you that the current situation is market determined though. Bottle service isn't going anywhere until people stop buying it. And judging from the average person that I see purchasing it I doubt that anytime soon they'll learn how it hurts the club scene and boycott it as a result. As long as there's places that don't let bottle service detract from the experience (CZ, FW, Wrong Bar, guv to an extent) I think we'll be alright as long as we have options.

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Originally posted by GGM And judging from the average person that I see purchasing it I doubt that anytime soon they'll learn how it hurts the club scene and boycott it as a result.

+1

The problem is that these kids are trying to be something they're not. Bottle Service was designed for the ultra wealthy. People who want to go out, but not deal with getting drinks the ordinary way, and who need to be separate from the public in order to have a good time.

Example: if Charlie Sheen was going to go to a club. He couldn't very well just pay cover like the rest of us and expect to have fun. People like that NEED bottle service and need to be separated, and it should be priced accordingly. Set your prices at $500+ a bottle (min.3) and let the true 'ballers' enjoy.

Now, for the regular clubber, its all about bottles on a budget, so these kids can feel like they're something they're not. $100 Bottles. Any group of kids with a McDonalds paycheque can get bottle service these days.

I remember like pre 2007, it was a massive deal for someone to have bottle service. It happened maybe once a year. Now, it seems like the masses don't bother going out unless they have bottles. And at $100 a bottle, its way to easy.

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Originally posted by SniFFleS Looks like from WWF or something.

Same thoughts. Would love to see him in a cage fight with a traktor dj that just pitched in for bottle service at a richmond st club lol.

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looking back, i think it would be really easy for people of his age, to say, how nice it was back then; like 10+years ago. shit happens. people need to be poppin' bottles now son.

GIVE ME FOOD

You're DJing for food now? Dammit. Can you specify exactly what food so I can undercut you? Like if you're asking for a steak here I'll totally take a burger to get the gig.

Also, good news for potential event organisers out there. I just bought a docking station for my iPhone so the laptop is no longer needed I can just do it from there. Hopefully no one calls/texts mid-set though, might have to turn on airplane mode.

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Originally posted by WittyHandle I've been DJing for 15 years and have never used autosync, but I have nothing against it and really don't see how it magically removes the title of DJ from anyone who uses it. It's all about programming.

I disagree.
Yes programming has a lot to do with a set but anyone can get behind a laptop and push buttons. This is 90% of why I dont go out anymore, its so uninspiring to go to a club and watch someone with a brightly lit laptop push buttons and jump up and down not to mention it requires 0 skill at all.

Frustrating to see as someone who use to love the scene so much and a lot of what this dude says in his video is very true.

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Originally posted by beatjunkie Yes programming has a lot to do with a set but anyone can get behind a laptop and push buttons...[It's] so uninspiring to go to a club and watch someone with a brightly lit laptop push buttons and jump up and down [all night]...

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Originally posted by beatjunkie I disagree. Yes programming has a lot to do with a set but anyone can get behind a laptop and push buttons.

How exactly is programming a technical skill.
When the crowd is dancing, you continue with the same.
When the floor clears out , you switch things up.

The only programming a dj can do is PRE-PROGRAMMING.

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Originally posted by Iwasthere How exactly is programming a technical skill. When the crowd is dancing, you continue with the same. When the floor clears out , you switch things up. The only programming a dj can do is PRE-PROGRAMMING.

only if programming was this simple