Shall we chop babies feet off so as to reduce thier chance of getting gangrene one day?

Shall we remove thier eyes to remove the chance of them getting glaucoma?


Honestly, people are so infantile, they allow ancient customs to reobotiscise thier mind. Think for yourselves folks, God wont admire robots.

While on the subject God also hates greed.
Listen to any religious extremist and it's all about thier personal greed of wanting to exist in an even better place than Earth - how incredibly arrogant and greedy.
Also it's greedy to lust for a place in Heaven, why would any omniscient God admire such robots / slaves that long for better things?

PS - I am open minded about a God (nothing like the God of the Bible - more like the energy of the Universe, the fact it's an information system that enabled itself to gaze upon itself via Human eyes it created using it's own information).

I am though certain religion is just an infantile Man made template - really the earliest attempt to explain stuff, a pre - cursor to science which is just a more thorough attempt to explain stuff.

Again no God would admire slavishness. It would admire and maybe learn from free thinkers.

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I remember when I was circumcised and boy am I upset about it.

I might just write a few paragraphs about how barbaric and scarring this procedure that I never even had is.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

...and the illogic keeps on flowing. So, you can never judge that something is bad unless you have experienced it personally?

Every time this topic is touched upon, srussell just increases his illogical posts.

Comparing circumcision to vaccination...

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Originally posted by Vector A ...and the illogic keeps on flowing. So, you can never judge that something is bad unless you have experienced it personally?

And how exactly do you know it's bad? While you're at it, define "bad" in this context. Because it makes a baby scream, it's bad? Well then pretty much everything that happens to a newborn after birth is bad. Have you ever seen a circumcision? Have you ever heard the baby scream? Or are you just going by what people with a pretty clear anti-circumcision agenda say? Do you seriously contend that trained physicians still perform the procedure if it is so "barbaric" and "horrific"?

Seriously, I'd bet every single person in this thread who is crying about something that they know absolutely nothing about, is just doing so for the very fact that they know so little about it, and it's "different" to them; they haven't experienced it, haven't seen it happen, haven't heard any first-hand accounts of it happening. Murder is objectively bad, rape is objectively bad, etc. Surgically removing a small piece of skin from a baby whose brain isn't even developed enough to remember whatever small amount of pain remains after an anesthetic is administered is not objectively bad in the least. Yet you still try to paint it as someone who doesn't know what they're doing wantonly slashing off a baby's manhood with a steak knife. Calling the procedure barbaric or horrific is absolutely ridiculous.

Does it bother you so much? I don't think not being circumcised is wrong, I just think it's grotesque, as I've already stated. The people going on some moral and faux-epistemic tirade against the manufactured horror of an extremely common and simple procedure is just pretty amusing.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 And how exactly do you know it's bad? While you're at it, define "bad" in this context. Because it makes a baby scream, it's bad? Well then pretty much everything that happens to a newborn after birth is bad. Have you ever seen a circumcision? Have you ever heard the baby scream? Or are you just going by what people with a pretty clear anti-circumcision agenda say? Do you seriously contend that trained physicians still perform the procedure if it is so barbaric and "horrific"?

I did not call it "barbaric" or "horrific." Maybe you can discuss those terms with someone who has used them. I did call it "painful," which is pretty much undisputed.

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Does it bother you so much?

No more than other examples of human stupidity bother me. That people use such idiotic arguments to defend it may bother me more than the existence of the procedure itself.

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I don't think not being circumcised is wrong, I just think it's grotesque, as I've already stated.

So 2/3 to 5/6 of adult men worldwide are "grotesque" in your view simply because their parents happened to let them keep the dick they were born with? lol

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The people going on some moral and faux-epistemic tirade against the manufactured horror of an extremely common and simple procedure is just pretty amusing.

If you don't know what the word "epistemic" means, then don't use it.

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Originally posted by Vector A I did not call it "barbaric" or "horrific." Maybe you can discuss those terms with someone who has used them. I did call it "painful," which is pretty much undisputed.

Fair enough

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So 2/3 to 5/6 of adult men worldwide are "grotesque" in your view simply because their parents happened to let them keep the dick they were born with? lol

No, just their dicks are grotesque. lol

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If you don't know what the word "epistemic" means, then don't use it.

Epistemic. Of or relating to knowledge. Faux-epistemic. Making arguments under the guise of "knowledge" that one doesn't actually possess. It's not very hard.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

Well, I would wager our medical knowledge is about equal, at least on this topic, so we are both just shooting the bull here.

I know Captain Foreskin in San Francisco is happy.