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Originally posted by Cyrus King Jews and Mennonites and Christians don't go ape shit and kill people or riot and burn embassies becuase of a YouTube clip about their prophet ...

They don't have the largest military on earth currently engaged in wars against 2 of their countries and drone attacks against many more. They don't have manipulation and deceit currently taking place in the politics of all their countries. Nor have they been heavily fucked with for the last 60 years and continuously raped for the sake of a liquid beneath the ground. It's really an apples to oranges comparison between those religions and Islam. There is extreme hate of the US in this region with causes far beyond some recent bush league documentary. Think of a room slowly filling up with gas over a long period of time and that film being the spark that caused the explosion.

It truly is sad though that the actions of a small group of people will likely (knowing the typical American response to this type of thing) cause the deaths of many, many thousands more. Assuming the whole 9/11 story is true just look at how many Afghans and arguably Iraqis had to die from the actions of 30-40 people.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King It's both. Islam is forceful barbaric and perceived literally unlike Judaism and Christianity which has evolved into spirituality. I'm an atheist and admit my bias towards organized religion... But Islam is something else. It is a way of life . Look at every single nation in the world that is Muslim.. Compared to secular nations. The Muslim ones are SHITTY and the secular ones are not. I'm Persian and iran has become shitty in the last 30 years. Hmm I wonder why... Islam is the root of radical extremism.

They need to overthrow that Islamist leadership in Iran and the first thing to do afterwards is rename the country to Persia! Much better name, and indeed Persia has great culture and history that is different from Islam, different language too. Why are they pandering to Saudi religious zealots, I don't understand either.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium They need to overthrow that Islamist leadership in Iran

This is key. And the change needs to come from within. If it happens because of American/Israeli intervention, Iran is just going to end up as another Iraq/Afghanistan run by militant warlords and religious sects.

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Originally posted by LightsOut This is key. And the change needs to come from within. If it happens because of American/Israeli intervention, Iran is just going to end up as another Iraq/Afghanistan run by militant warlords and religious sects.

That’s exactly it. We’ve had just enough of these interventions. The whole thing is a scam and many are now beginning to realize it too. This is their way to getting their foot inside a sovereign nation and taking over all of their resources.

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Yes, and these protests and internal changes will be highly effective and achieve democracy with no problem. Not.

Parallels can be drawn between Syria and Iran. Both are bloodthirsty authoritarian regimes which will use every tool at their disposal to keep in control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E...ection_protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E...ranian_protests

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yes, and these protests and internal changes will be highly effective and achieve democracy with no problem. Not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E...ection_protests http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E...ranian_protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_Revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani...9Foara_protests

http://www.tallinn-life.com/tallinn...ging-revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way

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Originally posted by GGM They don't have the largest military on earth currently engaged in wars against 2 of their countries and drone attacks against many more. They don't have manipulation and deceit currently taking place in the politics of all their countries. Nor have they been heavily fucked with for the last 60 years and continuously raped for the sake of a liquid beneath the ground. It's really an apples to oranges comparison between those religions and Islam. There is extreme hate of the US in this region with causes far beyond some recent bush league documentary. Think of a room slowly filling up with gas over a long period of time and that film being the spark that caused the explosion. It truly is sad though that the actions of a small group of people will likely (knowing the typical American response to this type of thing) cause the deaths of many, many thousands more. Assuming the whole 9/11 story is true just look at how many Afghans and arguably Iraqis had to die from the actions of 30-40 people.

This mess of ideology and thought was already there before America Meddeled in the middle east.

Before 60 years, islam has and will continue to shit and diarrhea wherever it goes.

look at the way all these monkeys are acting around the middle east right now! Burning a locally owned KFC in lebanon... burning German flags now???

These animals have to be civilized.

ATATURK my hero, did the right thing when he modernized turkey.. he seperated Church and state very strictly.. and when the muslim shit head mullahs there tried to make it into what Iran is today.. he chopped all their fucking heads off. EXCISED THE CANCER FROM HIS COUNTRY

THe Shah of iran was too nice to the clerics.

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THe Shah of iran was too nice to the clerics.



My thoughts exactly !!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King

Absolutely agree with you on Ataturk and what he was able to do. But, modernization, creating the secular state, and his many other accomplishments happened within and they happened with bettering Turkey as the motivator. As soon as you have a third party involved the motivations lie with them as well and it's hard for the people to get on board. The list of successful revolutions prior to 1950 is substantial. Since then, it's pretty short. The CIA's creation and their dire need to meddle in everything is a key factor imo. The list of coups and attempted coups started by the States since the CIA came about 65 years ago is quite a long one. What they've done during the last 40 years in Latin America alone is absolutely atrocious.

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Originally posted by GGM Absolutely agree with you on Ataturk and what he was able to do. But, modernization, creating the secular state, and his many other accomplishments happened within and they happened with bettering Turkey as the motivator. As soon as you have a third party involved the motivations lie with them as well and it's hard for the people to get on board. The list of successful revolutions prior to 1950 is substantial. Since then, it's pretty short. The CIA's creation and their dire need to meddle in everything is a key factor imo. The list of coups and attempted coups started by the States since the CIA came about 65 years ago is quite a long one. What they've done during the last 40 years in Latin America alone is absolutely atrocious.

You are right about the CIA meddling.. but i dont think in this day and age with all the social networking and communication, that the CIA has that type of power to influence.

Its very difficult now.

I still believe that the root cause of this retardness is ISLAM. If these countries were christian or secular, the behaviour would have been more civilized.

Islam makes it extremely blashphemous to go against it.

One guy killed theo van goh in Holland for making a film that dealt with womens rights in Islam..they are fucking retards.. and i hope israel bombs iran and gets rid of those towel headed smelly fucks

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everything ataturk did is an ancient history. turkeys neo-ottomanism is ever present in the balkans to this day.

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