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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J We're not yet at the stage where we can completely replace dirty energy sources with green ones, but you are fucking stupid and negligent if you think that means we shouldn't even bother trying to start the transition. Your country will be right at the top of the Fucked List when the sea-levels start rising, and it will be within your children's lifetimes. Chew on that next time you're driving them to football training.

Wait, where did I say we shouldn't do anything?

Just bought an A+++ washer dryer, already have a very well insulated house, insulated glass everywhere, efficient combination boiler. Heating and cleaning is the larges power consumption in a household.

Lighting / Fridge, tv, washing, ironing, etc / heating, warm water, cooking / car



Lightning I'll replace over time to led, no hurry as little is gained because all already is halogen. I did change some halogen lights we often use to LED though.

For our country rising sea-level will be a huge problem, for my kids I don't worry as long as they stay in this area as we in the south of Limburg are 100+ and right here even 184 meters above sea-level. London and a huge part of Belgium and Germany already will be swimming long before us.
Floating would create a huge mess everywhere, at 60m we're still save but it will be crowded here beyond imagination: http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/netherlands.shtml

We had two 2,5 Megawatt, 120 meter high windmills over here since 2005 for 10 years. They sold them as they were unprofitable. Now they are somewhere in Poland. How the hell is that possible?
The entire horizon is filled with windmills at the German side of the border.
Probably only heavily subsidized windmills are worth building:

Ever thought of this? http://instituteforenergyresearch.o...earth-minerals/

CO2 bullshit solutions. Stupid Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV you can see everywere here. It can drive 20 km on one battery charge!!, yes no typo 20 km. Business people driving it laughed for years. Now the subsidizing stops, money all other people eventually paid, not a single one will be sold any more.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid That would be fine. Things that have detrimental costs and would be taxed, such as carbon emissions, should be abandoned anyway. If the companies that provide them go broke, that's a good thing.

Kenny, what is it that you do to improve the collective welfare of the world?

A little bit loaded, don't you think?

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Originally posted by Trance-M Ever thought of this? http://instituteforenergyresearch.o...earth-minerals/

You're citing a website that praises Donald Trump's energy policies on its front page. Forgive me for being unconvinced.

This is just another example of what I pointed out earlier - highlighting some supposed hypocrisy in a green policy as an excuse to ditch it completely. China are actually getting on the environmental bandwagon in a big way after discovering first-hand how detrimental it is to heavily pollute and poison its own citizens. The problems of Chinese mining and industry are an issue that can and are being tackled separately. If China can sort its industrial act out, where does that leave the criticism of wind power? Furthermore, these are all criticisms of start-up costs. The conversion to green power is not going to cheap, pretty or bloodless, but in the long term it is necessary.

An interesting article on the UK's investment in off-shore wind, which doesn't quite chime with your claim that the technology is useless and inefficient: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ay-yet-pay-off/

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Originally posted by wotyzoid A little bit loaded, don't you think?

As a good blue blood I'm normally quite loaded, I'm afraid, as are my questions

I am slightly serious, though. You are always complaining about evil rich people etc, and how they are making the world a worse place through their profit motives. What do you do to make the world a better place?

even distribution of resources, for starters

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Literally the only way of reading that statement is that you suck up the resources of others more productive than you, is that what you actually mean?

Yeah, whatever moocher ideology Ayn Rand warned you about. The opposite of your "I got mine, fuck you."

Productive is hilarious.

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Very productive to drill a hole in the fucking ocean floor and let a bunch of oil out.

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Exactly how many drugs do you do, on an average week?

All of them.

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