Got to the beginning og page 3, and couldnt be arsed to read anymore, so if what I say has been said, tough cookie

I find that the intelligence and complexity in trance comes from how it is put together and what is used. If it is as simple as you say, then anyone should be able to make at least a half-decent track.
Wrong, its the good tracks that have intelligent use of the samples to create certain emotive responses. The techniques used (far more than just a repeating bassline) ARE intelligent IMO.

and its genre, not genrea

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Exactly. You could just bung loads of shit into a track without a care in the world and it would not be a complex piece of work. Also, it is possible to overproduce a track, as the saying goes 'too many cooks spoil the broth'.

that's one of the things i hate about psy/goa.. too many sounds on top of each other.. you can't focus on any while listening and that doesn't work for me.

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What you percieve as simple is actually very complex. As i've said before, it's called MINIMALISM and it's the true procedural form of trance (good trance )

I don't think any form of music is inherently more intelligent or 'deep' than any other (except rap- 99% of rap is bullshit, dick-swinging, macho pastuering bullshit IMHO). I think it boils down to the artist producing the song. Some are better and more inventive than others (Juno Reactor does it for me as one of the best). I do think that as a starting point, trance is easier to do passable, working songs in than other forms of electronica (but not neccessarily 'good' songs). I personally feel IDM and drum n bass are the hardest to make from scratch (because I suck at programming my own beats).

i like trance, and i like classical, i put a classical cd in at my work and surprisingly they didnt argue to it. so how many quotes will branmuffin post? (and yes im expecting you to 'quote' this and follow it with a snyde remark). and yes youre right, clasical music does 'blow my mind'...

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well... i played piano for 10 years. string bass for 7 years (i still play that instrument). so i can say i know classical music very well. branmuffin, do you know what a fugue is? its a piano piece based soley on repeated themes. the WHOLE thing is repeated but in a different key or position on the keyboard. symphonies, sonatas, all that crap. i've played everything. trust me, there is RIDICULOUS amount of repetition in classical music as well and initially it does seem more complex, but if you compare various artists from classical music (not just the well known ones) from the same time period. you'll see that all their crap is very much the same. only perhaps during the impressionist era and 20th century classical is there a major change in style and technique. now back to trance.... please go ahead to the studio and make a trance track. then PLEASE tell me what you think about its complexity. chances are u'll go to fruityloops click in a bunch of crap make a piece of shit sounding thing and then u'll think... damn. this is harder than i thought. my friend and i are working on a track right now... we are only 3 minutes into it and we have about 15 layers. it still sounds like utter non-professional crap. the amount of time it takes to tweak sounds etc... is completely incomprehensible until you take the time to try it yourself.

If good trance is incredibly simple and unintelligent, then so is most rock, all pop, all hip hop and most classical. This thread is fucking stupid.

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oh god i remember this thread. it's over a year old already!

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Originally posted by NooKLeaR you try making trance masterpieces like... Urban Train Nothing but You L'esperanza Columbia Animacion Try creating anything relatively close to the Duck, and i promise you will find it "complex".

you can add Tony Walker - Field of Joy (Original mix) to that list

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Originally posted by puckhead Well, if you're still not convinced, you try making a tune like Xpander

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Last edited by Xavier on Mar-13-2004 at 01:35

i havent read the whole thread i cant really be bothered..

but i think trance is basically modern classical anyway. there is a LOT of repition in classical and it is quite often based on buildups etc (as is all music). it will often have one big lead (1st violins) and a whole heap of underlying melodies (2nd violins, cellos etc). the long chords made by synths (pads) are similar to long sweeping strings in classical music....why do you think so many trance songs feature strings and choirs and pianos? fair enough its for emotional value but there is still something to be said for that.

i dont think all trance music is simple but also remember the simple things in life are the best... how simple is for an angel? one of the biggest trance songs of all time

Producing a track that people are going to want to listen to seems like it should be simple... Until you try to do it. Plain and simple. It takes skill. It's not something that you can just up and decide to do. You have to learn the method. You have to understand the structure. Sounds to me like branmuffin is just looking for attention.

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