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I posted this in the sports discussion but I'd thought to do it here since Shamus is my buddy. 
National League Cy Young Race. My opinion:
1. Cris Carpenter
2. Roger Clemens
3. Pedro Martinez
Here's the stats to backup my thinking:
----- IP - ERA - WHIP - WINS - HR Alw - Opponent OPS:
C Car 220 - 2.21 - 0.97 - 21 - 15 - .578
Roger 189 - 1.57 - 0.92 - 11 - 8 - .504
Pedro 195 - 2.95 - 0.92 - 13 - 19 - .578
----- Run Supp - CG - Quality Starts
C Car 5.2 - 7 - 27
Roger 3.6 - 1 - 24
Pedro 5.0 - 3 - 21
Pedro's weakness is clearly the long ball. Roger has quite a bit lower OPS surely attributable to only allowing 8 homers. That's why his ERA is so astronomical, he doesn't give up the big ones. Compare that to Randy Johnson who has given up a whopping 29 HR's. In comparison to history, Roger's ERA is clearly mind boggling! Pedro's run support is actually almost the same as Carpenter but Roger's is clearly worse than all. However, I give the slight nudge to Carpenter over Roger just because he has 7 complete games which is saying to me he doesn't tire his bullpen as much. Plus, he's giving his team longer production of great pitching giving his team more assured wins because it's not left up to the bullpen to decide the game. Lastly, I think Carpenter has been the most consistent start to start as seen with his quality starts. He has one more start than Roger and Pedro but has nearly 3 more games of innings. Again, he eats more innings.
Carpenter is also in first, Houston looks like a strong wild card, and the Mets are in last but that really isn't Pedro's fault but still, a point in talking about valuable to ?
Just my thoughts...
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Pedro's start against Philly really killed some of his stats. Take that game away, and it's only 15 HRs. His WHIP is still really damn good. I think he needs a start skipped. But there's no way the retarded Mets Front Office and/or Willie (who insists on batting Beltran 3rd, Wright 5th, and, up until a few days ago, Cairo 2nd) will do that.
With that being said, the Cy Young should go to the best pitcher in the league. Last year, Randy Johnson should've won it. Hands down. And this year, as much as I hate to say it, Roger Clemens has been the leagues best pitcher. I truly thought he would fade in the end. I thought there was no way he could keep the ERA below 2. I was wrong. He is clearly the best pitcher in the NL this year. The best pitcher in the majors, actually. And it sucks that he's going to be penalized because of his teams poor offense.
Just going through his stats, I see that Pedro and Clemens have the same WHIP. The HR is really what has hurt Pedro the most. Also TranceHater, Pedro won on August 25th. That is... 2 weeks ago. Not 6 weeks ago. 
Another thing, Clemens has had 25 QS's, not 24. Plus, quality starts are usually a very overrated stat. If a player starts 32 games and goes 6 innings while giving up 3 runs everytime, that is 32 QSs and a mediocre 4.50 ERA. If that same player starts 32 games and goes 9 innings while giving up 4 runs everytime, that is 0 QSs and a much better 4.00 ERA. I tend to avoid stats like that. 
Plus, you already know how I feel about 'wins' as a way of judging a pitchers success. I don't care if a pitcher is 0-32, if he has a 1.30 ERA, he should get the Cy Young...
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i wish it would just last forever.
and so, to feel like that?
i'd pay any price just to get that back.*
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