ok... now, PVD is against this war and seems to be pretty vocal about it. and the lot of you have agreed with him, even adding the 'no war, no way' phrase into sigs and what not. so, if PVD was completely for the war and had a shirt that said 'Where there's a war, there's a way' would your view change? would you have put that in your sig? and if you didnt, would you just not be vocal about the war at all? personally, i am all for the war. war, altho very devastating, has solved many of the worlds problems. do you think that we could've just sat down with Stalin and Hitler and said 'hey, excuse me, what yo are doing isn't very nice!' absoutely not. same thing with saddam. you can't sit with him and talk about this. anyway, don't think i am some super war monger, because for example, i am completely disgusted by the wars that ensued due to the Europeans 'discovery' of america. and people see christopher colombus as a hero and we celebrate him with a day off from work and school. he, altho not as bad as people such as Pizarro, was not a very great role model. perhaps we should teach our children these things earlier in life, instead of waiting for them to get to college. we teach them all of these lies about history... how christopher columbus discovered america and made friends with the natives. how the civil war was started due to lincoln wanting to abolish slavery. same thing with the pilgrims. we teach kids that the pilgrims and native americans were close friends and even had a great dinner together. bah... being a history major sucks.

*edit* wow... i didnt even realize i went that much off topic. anyway, thats my blah blah for the night. later doods and doodettes.

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yo shame. i am with you. i am for the war completely. peace would be great, but sometimes you have to fight for it. as for pvd, everyone has their causes. i still love the idea of peace and i shot my peace sign high up in the air with everyone else at space.

humm I got bored tonight and decided to update the ta map website


check my sig



btw shamez I'm not ok with everything pvd says

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"If you're going to kill each other, do it outside. I just finished
cleaning."
2. My mother taught me RELIGION.

"You better pray that will come out of the carpet."
3. My mother taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!"
4. My mother taught me LOGIC.
"Because I said so, that's why."
5. My mother taught me MORE LOGIC.
'If you fall out of that swing and break your neck, you're not going to the store with me."
6. My mother taught me FORESIGHT.
"Make sure you wear clean underwear, in case you're in an accident."
7. My mother taught me IRONY.
"Keep crying, and I'll give you something to cry about."
8. My mother taught me about the science of OSMOSIS.
"Shut your mouth and eat your supper."
9. My mother taught me about CONTORTIONISM.
"Will you look at that dirt on the back of your neck!"
10. My mother taught me about STAMINA.
'You'll sit there until all that spinach is gone."
11. My mother taught! me about WEATHER.
"This room of yours looks as if a tornado went through it."
12. My mother taught me about HYPOCRISY.
"If I told you once, I've told you a million times. Don't exaggerate!"
13. My mother taught me the CIRCLE OF LIFE.
"I brought you into this world, and I can take you out."
14. My mother taught me about BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION.
"Stop acting like your father!"
15. My mother taught me about ENVY.
"There are millions of less fortunate children in this world who don't have wonderful parents like you do."
16. My mother ! taught me about ANTICIPATION.
"Just wait until we get home."
17. My mother taught me about RECEIVING.
"You are going to get it when you get home!"
18. My mother taught me MEDICAL SCIENCE.
"If you don't stop crossing your eyes, They are going to freeze that
way." OR "If you keep sitting on your foot, one day your going to get up and it will be stuck there."
19. My mother taught me ESP.
"Put your sweater on; don't you think I know when you are cold?"
20. My mother taught me HUMOR.
"When that lawn mower cuts off your toes, don't come
running to me."
21. My mother taught me HOW TO BECOME AN ADULT.
"If you don't eat your vegetables, you'll never grow up."
22. My mother taught me GENETICS.
"You're just like your father."
23. My mother taught me about my ROOTS.
"Shut that door behind you. Do you think you were born in a barn?"
24. My mother taught me WISDOM.
"When you get to be my age, you'll understand."
25. And my favorite: my mother taught me about JUSTICE.
"One day you'll have kids, and I hope they turn out just like you!"

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shamez, totally agree. i wasn't for the war before it started, but now that its going, fucking take the punks out. do it quick and get it over with. i don't like war, but now that its started just end it quick. don't try to act all heroish and cowboyish. just get the job done and be out. hehehehe. but i like how pvd voices his opinions though. he does it in an alright way, just says what he believes in. he's not pushing it on anyone.

but well written my friend.

btw pvd told me and I quote (concerning the current situation) :
" for the first time in my life I feel proud to be a German ".

( He also shortly took part in a peace protest while he was in Australia back in February )

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Originally posted by Shamez214 ok... now, PVD is against this war and seems to be pretty vocal about it. and the lot of you have agreed with him, even adding the 'no war, no way' phrase into sigs and what not. so, if PVD wa..[snip]

my oppinion is completely independent of PvD or what any DJ thinks. I believe that I am adult enough to have figured out that I do not need to follow or imitate other people.

I have heard a lot of arguments from both sides. From my personal perspective, the "no war at this point" (before the war had started..duh) faction has the best ones. Hence, that is the side I stand on.

welcome to "decision making 101"

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Originally posted by jdat btw pvd told me and I quote (concerning the current situation) : " for the first time in my life I feel proud to be a German ". ( He also shortly took part in a peace protest while he was in Australia back in February )

FOR THE FIRST TIME????? i'm german and i've ALWAYS been damn proud. maybe not of what happened many many years ago, but that wasn't me, nor anyone in my family. but i am VERY proud to be german. its usually one of the first things people learn about me when they get to know me. so pvd was always ashamed of being german? i never picked up that vibe from him.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 my oppinion is completely independent of PvD or what any DJ thinks. I believe that I am adult enough to have figured out that I do not need to follow or imitate other people. I have heard a lot of arguments from both sides. From my personal perspective, the "no war at this point" (before the war had started..duh) faction has the best ones. Hence, that is the side I stand on. welcome to "decision making 101"

greg, lately, you seem to have very sarcastic remarks to all posts. i was just stating that, as you and i both know, there are many people who CAN'T make decisions for themselves... i just wanted to see if anyone would fess up to it. i guess my whole point lost focus... i get sidetracked very easily.

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*can't imagine it feelin' much better...
i wish it would just last forever.
and so, to feel like that?
i'd pay any price just to get that back.*

wtf is wrong with you guys??? why athe fuck are we divided??? i am for war now. shit we need to stand behind our goverment and our president!

i'm not divided. if people want to voice there opinions they can. just don't tell me what to think (which no one has done). someone's opinion on the war isn't gonna change my opinion on them, so in all honestly, i don't give a crap.

some many people just listen to the the media...go read up a bit more!!!!


What happened in afghanistan was because of the US, the US helped the afghanis fight russia and then after russia left then so did the US. They left the coutnry in a terriable situation and becuase of taht the taliban came into power. They didnt rebuild the coutnry or anything, the US came in a did what was good for them and left. How fucked up is that? and then 15 years or so later the US goes back in and try to make it better beucause it was in thier interest to do since 9/11 occured.

Now look at iraq, who put saddamn in power? the UK and the US who supplied him nukes and instrucitons on how to make chemical weapons to help the US and UK to defeat iran. The US did what was good from them in 1979 and left and gave control to sadadmn. Now when saddamn got too powerful then the US has to go back in and try to make it better again. They could of have taken out saddamn in 91 but they didnt. They have to go back again 12 years later to do a job they didnt do back in 91. How many people are being killed for some dumb decision made by this countrys(US) leaders back in 91.


There is no point in this War. Yes i udnerstand saddamn sholudnt be in power but the US had chances to deal with him before and there are better way to deal with him.

After the this war...there will be unstability in IRAQ. THe US cant take sides....the kruds will want thier own part in the north, but then the turks wont like this because then the kurds in turkey will also want thier own nation. This will lead to a big conflit.

Then after this the US said they will go after IRAN , North Korea and make peace between Isreal and palestine...i want to see that since they are too buddy buddy with isreal.

OHH and where is Osama?????? did they find him yet? Will the find saddamn? no they wont.....so this war will just cause more problems aroudn the world. This is nto good for any Americans either....becuase amreicans are beign hated all over the world as of now.